Canon EOS M5 Coming Before Photokina [CR3]

[rrcphoto]

A useless camera when combined with the ef-m set of lenses.

It's going to be a ton bigger (in the realm of a x-e2) which immediately loses the charm of the m system.

All the lenses are small, slow and compact.

I would not be surprised if the af is tuned more for the ef-m to ef adapter, versus native ef-m lenses.

With the way the m eco system currently is, this camera unless it is followed with 3+ fast lenses, fits into the ecosystem like teets on a bull.

 

[Ditboy]

It would be nice if Canon would make some fast primes, but with the continuing commitment to the M line, 3rd party lens makers will keep adding EF-M mounts. I am half way to having an entire Rokinon line of fast primes now. I was waiting for the M5 to decide whether or not to add the 21 1.4 & 50 1.2. Just bought the Mikanon Speedmaster 35 0.95 and really like it! I shot 20+ yrs manual focus, so with peaking, it's a breeze.

 

[rrcphoto]

It would be nice if Canon would make some fast primes, but with the continuing commitment to the M line, 3rd party lens makers will keep adding EF-M mounts. I am half way to having an entire Rokinon line of fast primes now. I was waiting for the M5 to decide whether or not to add the 21 1.4 & 50 1.2. Just bought the Mikanon Speedmaster 35 0.95 and really like it! I shot 20+ yrs manual focus, so with peaking, it's a breeze.

Beats me why canon doesn't toss a few bucks at sigma.

And then license the speed booster patents, and bundle in ef and fd adapters in a ae-1 styled body to keep avtvm happy.

 

[Ditboy]

Finally a built in viewfinder! (I would rather have an optical viewfinder, but this is better than the nothing on my original M).

After using the M & M3 (with external EVF) alongside of my various DSLRs (6D, 7Dmk2,70d) I really don't like optical anymore. I shoot a lot in low light and there are times I have to stop using the DSLR even with fast glass because it was either too dark to see or to dark for the cameras to focus. If they give the M5 the horsepower it needs to retain live view during shooting (a63000 & XT-2) I'll be happy to say good bye to optical finders forever. (OK, maybe optical for sports)

 

[Ditboy]

4k! 4k! 4k!

+1

It all sounds good expect for the lack for 4K.

People please have a healthy meeting with reality. Totally unrealistic expectations will only result in disappointments (and blaming Canon instead of your overhyped irrational expectations).

Don't worry I my self am pretty sure the M5 will not have 4K. (I would like to stick to canon gear, but realise it is not possible for what I want). Looking at the Canon line up it is unrealistic with 4K in M5. But looking the completion from other brands it is not that unrealistic that such camera could/should have had it. But it will not, I agree on that

4K not what I want in a still camera. Call me an old fart, but I could care less about 4K. If it has it fine, but it sure won't be a deal breaker. I would guess if it does have 4K, that means it would have to have some horsepower under the hood for the the things I do want, like continuos live view during shooting.

 

[Luds34]

They should simply release a mirrorless 5D4 version and keep the EF mount!

The 6D is about as small a camera as you are gonna get with a full-frame EF mount. They could go smaller in places (like a 100D against the 750D), but, functionally it will not match the thin-ness of the A7 series. Just making it mirrorless doesnt magically make the camera smaller, EF mount has a 44mm flange, meaning the camera has to be bigger to handle a lens + sensor

Wrong.
Ef mirrorless could be the same size as an SL1

Yeah, but it wouldn't balance well with hardly any lenses. Even a 35 f/1.4 would be awkward, let alone a proper zoom. Might be fun with the 40mm pancake, but that would be about it.

 

[Luds34]

•24.2mp (80D sensor or some variant, we’re 90% sure on this)
•Built-in electronic viewfinder
•A new AF system (Could be the best new feature of the EOS M line)
•A more classical camera design, more in line with Fuji or Olympus

These look promising. Still, it's crop

tilting/swivel screen??? Big mistake if Canon doesn't have one.

Your bullet points are spot on. It would appear Canon is finally releasing something that will compete with the market leaders.

I'd add "crop" as a plus as well. A crop sensor seems to hit the sweet spot for mirrorless, big enough sensor to capture some real light and make a great picture while keeping the system (especially lenses) small and compact. Once we start talking A7 body/lens, well, I'll just shoot my 6D at that size point.

tilty screen, I'll personally pass but wouldn't cry if it had one.

Either crop or FF mirrorless, I think if we attach proper native lens to it weight and size is not much different.

For a7, FE 28mm f2, FE 35 f2.8, FE 55mm f1.8 are great choices as compact. Bigger f1.4 primes and f2.8 zooms are great options when needed.

Fuji has great selection of primes, once we reach to f1.4 areas we not really save much. Again, it's a great option to have.

I think we're on the same page, I don't necessary disagree with your points, except maybe on the Fuji primes. Even their "large" f/1.4 primes are much smaller then say Canon f/1.4 primes. A prime example (sorry, couldn't resist) would be the Fuji XF 23mm f/1.4 vs a Canon/Sigma EF 35mm f/1.4. Completely night and day in size and weight.

With that said, I'm looking forward to the new Fuji XF 23mm f/2. I have the XF 35mm f/2 and the new focus mechanism is so silent/fast. Of course optics is top notch as well. I've embraced the mirrorless as my compact system and gone the f/2 prime route. If I want big bokeh, narrow DOF, that's where I pull out the FF Canon gear.

 

[Luds34]

Expecting big pickle jar f/1.4 EF-M primes isn't going to happen, but a plurality of right-sized f/2 EF-M primes (hopefully with USM of some sort) would do wonders to attracting bigger dollar spenders to the brand.

Agree 100%.

Like a lot of folks, I'm a pretty big fan of the 22mm pancake. Since I use it on the original M, the camera I'm sure is the limiting factor in regards to focus speed. However, being that it uses that slower STM that seems to be shared on the EF-S 24mm and EF 40mm pancakes, I can see where the little 22mm could be frustrating at times when faster focus speed is desired and it's paired with a fast focusing camera (aka 80D DPAF sensor).

EF-M (from an enthusiast point of view) really could use some fast aperture (f/2 good enough), fast focusing primes.

 

[Ditboy]

Lenses on my want list, depending on what the actual M5 has, is the Canon FD 400 f4.5 or 500 f4.5L. The 400 can be picked up for around $300-$400, the 500 for $1,200. I had them both back in the day and they were excellent optics, especially the 500 (next to the 300 2.8, the sharpest Canon lens I have ever used). With a $25 converter and focus peaking and 1.6x factor, these would be awesome combos!

 

[zim]

Scaled up G5X please, just make it big enough all round to house an apsc sensor and take ef(s) lenses. That's what I've been hoping for ever since the release of the G5X and having played with that camera the only thing I disliked about it was that it was absolutely tiny, just couldn't handle it.

 

[lw]

4K not what I want in a still camera. Call me an old fart, but I could care less about 4K.

There is no such thing as a "still camera" these days. Proving indeed you are an old fart

I want cameras that are equally adept at both. And for the same reason you no doubt seek higher and higher quality stills then I also seek higher and higher quality movies (as well as stills). For me, HD no longer delivers that and now there are endless alternatives to the M that do then Canon needs to get its act together to retain me as a user

 

[Bob Howland]

Scaled up G5X please, just make it big enough all round to house an apsc sensor and take ef(s) lenses. That's what I've been hoping for ever since the release of the G5X and having played with that camera the only thing I disliked about it was that it was absolutely tiny, just couldn't handle it.

+1, kind of. The G5X is too small for me to handle comfortably like an DSLR and too large to fit in my pockets. That's why I bought the G7X instead and waited for something like this camera. An X-T1 sized body would be perfect. My hope is that, along with the M5 body, Canon will introduce something like a Metabones Speed Booster, only 4/3 f-stops. I would, however, accept a 1 stop booster and fully realize that booster plus a 35 f/1.4 lens might be a bit unbalanced on a small body.

 

[Loswr]

They're gonna put an EVF in this thing and make it bigger?

That's not what I personally want.

So, me and billions of other people won't buy this camera.

Stupid Canon. : 8)

 

[Deleted member 7828]

Honestly, the time has come for DPAF to make its way into the M series...

 

[9VIII]

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I would not be surprised if the af is tuned more for the ef-m to ef adapter, versus native ef-m lenses.
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Hopefully.
The best application I can think of for an ultra compact body is to stick it on the back of a supertelephoto lens.

Large lenses are only bulky in one direction, I can easily stick the lens+body into a pouch or strap it to a pack as long as the camera body doesn't significantly protrude outside the width of the lens itself.

Compact bodies are just as beneficial on large lenses as anywhere else.

 

[josephandrews222]

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I would not be surprised if the af is tuned more for the ef-m to ef adapter, versus native ef-m lenses.
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Compact bodies are just as beneficial on large lenses as anywhere else.

Uhhhhhh... No.

 

[bholliman]

Compact bodies are just as beneficial on large lenses as anywhere else.

Not for me. I want a body large enough to balance with the long lens and comfortable to hold. A larger body has controls I can operate without looking while my eye is behind the view finder.

Small mirrorless bodies are nice with small lenses. Large bodies are practically required (for me) with large lenses.

 

[AvTvM]

"classical design"... fugly G5X ... oh NOOOOO! I hate it. Would have liked adapted M3 design just with pop-up EVF in top left corner.

 

[zim]

They're not gonna put an EVF in this thing and make it bigger?

That's not what I personally want.

So, me and trillions of other people won't buy this camera.

Stupidur Canon.

 

[AvTvM]

They're not gonna put an EVF in this thing and make it bigger?

That's not what I personally want.

So, me and trillions of other people won't buy this camera.

Stupidur Canon.

u dont want a built in EVF? Go and f*cking buy M, M2, M10 or M3 and sh*t up.