Canon EOS M5 Coming Before Photokina [CR3]

[crashpc]

Even hungry shepard can eat sheep

 

[ahsanford]

Neuro, you bonehead. We're talking about Commander Shepard of the Normandy.

#doi

- A

 

[JamesD]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

 

[lw]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

 

[9VIII]

Compact bodies are just as beneficial on large lenses as anywhere else.

Not for me. I want a body large enough to balance with the long lens and comfortable to hold. A larger body has controls I can operate without looking while my eye is behind the view finder.

Small mirrorless bodies are nice with small lenses. Large bodies are practically required (for me) with large lenses.

Put a large foot on the 400f5.6 and it balances perfectly in one hand, using the same grip to shoot as you use to carry the lens by your side.
IF you have a light body. The 5D2 effectively weighs twice as much as a small Rebel (1100D, 495 grams. 5D2, 905 grams), I only took the 5D2 hiking once or twice and didn't really see the point of adding the bulk for a such a minor upgrade (the center point on the worst AF system Canon uses can still track birds quite well).
In that scenario access to controls isn't much help anyway when you're just spinning in a circles for the a half second chance at catching an animal in frame.

Of course sitting in the bleachers with a larger lens on a monopod would be different, if the lens is too front heavy to balance on its tripod foot then that would necessitate putting more weight on the back.

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I would not be surprised if the af is tuned more for the ef-m to ef adapter, versus native ef-m lenses.
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Compact bodies are just as beneficial on large lenses as anywhere else.

Uhhhhhh... No.

Ideally Canon would make a camera body the size of the mount itself.
The "Puck" camera is the future of photography.

You could still have two or three wheel rings going around the entire body for controls, it actually sounds much more convenient.

 

[scyrene]

Compact bodies are just as beneficial on large lenses as anywhere else.

Not for me. I want a body large enough to balance with the long lens and comfortable to hold. A larger body has controls I can operate without looking while my eye is behind the view finder.

Small mirrorless bodies are nice with small lenses. Large bodies are practically required (for me) with large lenses.

Put a large foot on the 400f5.6 and it balances perfectly in one hand, using the same grip to shoot as you use to carry the lens by your side.
IF you have a light body. The 5D2 effectively weighs twice as much as a small Rebel (1100D, 495 grams. 5D2, 905 grams), I only took the 5D2 hiking once or twice and didn't really see the point of adding the bulk for a such a minor upgrade (the center point on the worst AF system Canon uses can still track birds quite well).
In that scenario access to controls isn't much help anyway when you're just spinning in a circles for the a half second chance at catching an animal in frame.

Of course sitting in the bleachers with a larger lens on a monopod would be different, if the lens is too front heavy to balance on its tripod foot then that would necessitate putting more weight on the back.

...
I would not be surprised if the af is tuned more for the ef-m to ef adapter, versus native ef-m lenses.
...

Compact bodies are just as beneficial on large lenses as anywhere else.

Uhhhhhh... No.

Ideally Canon would make a camera body the size of the mount itself.
The "Puck" camera is the future of photography.

You could still have two or three wheel rings going around the entire body for controls, it actually sounds much more convenient.

You must use your camera + big lens very differently to what I'm used to. That's fine, we're all different. But all I can say is, a tiny camera (especially a 'puck' as you call it) would be no good at all for my purposes.

 

[JamesD]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

 

[brad-man]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

Welcome to CR. At B&H, the M3 + EVF is currently $469. To get this deal, click on the green "build bundle" button beneath the "add to cart" button.

 

[Luds34]

2 headline product announcements: 1 fairly boring re. latest iteration of their mid-level bread-and-butter FF mirrorslapper plus 1 reasonably exciting APS-C mirrorless cam ... ?

I have a bad feeling I might regret responding.... but you know some people might see the 5D4 as the exciting announcement and the latest M as the boring one.

 

[JamesD]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

Welcome to CR. At B&H, the M3 + EVF is currently $469. To get this deal, click on the green "build bundle" button beneath the "add to cart" button.

Thanks for that! Now I am seriously torn. I believe in spending more on lenses than cameras and you just made waiting for a look at the M5 a whole lot tougher.

 

[rrcphoto]

Canon know how to make and sell cameras to sheep. The M is a camera for sheep. There are lots of sheep.

Whereas for wolves, Canon make DSLRs.

Hopefully, the M5 might be good enough for shepards

no, you almost got it right..

Canon know how to make and sell cameras. Period.

 

[JamesD]

Canon know how to make and sell cameras to sheep. The M is a camera for sheep. There are lots of sheep.

Whereas for wolves, Canon make DSLRs.

Hopefully, the M5 might be good enough for shepards

no, you almost got it right..

Canon know how to make and sell cameras. Period.

Exactly! All the major companies make decent cameras. I don't see anything wrong with a small format camera that takes great pictures. Shoot what you like shooting and enjoy what you have in your hands! And if you cannot afford to buy good glass for a camera, get a cheaper camera and buy better glass.

I really don't know about all this sheep, shepherds, and wolves talk, but I still have an old Koni Omega Medium Format Camera a mule would be proud to carry on his back. Its way to much for me to lug around these days; but it is still a nice conversation piece

 

[ggweci]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

James, Sony actually has a greater lens selection for the E mount than Canon had for the M mount.

You can use EF lenses on either camera, but BOTH will require an adapter.

Also, if you like the old school feel, check out Fuji. They have an excellent camera and lens lineup with their X series.

 

[JamesD]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

James, Sony actually has a greater lens selection for the E mount than Canon had for the M mount.

You can use EF lenses on either camera, but BOTH will require an adapter.

Also, if you like the old school feel, check out Fuji. They have an excellent camera and lens lineup with their X series.

Until I heard about the M5, my choices really came down to the M3 or the a6000. I know how to get decent results from any C Sensor camera; but I am not willing to trade down in sensor size from a C, or megapixels. I like the look of the M3; I think I can get good enough results with it, so long as I invest in the lenses.

As far as lenses go for the Sony's, I need image stabilization at all focal lengths. My hands are not steady like they were. A lot of the Sony made lenses, especially at the shorter lengths, do not have stabilization built in. So yes I can buy the adapters for the Canon Lenses but I do not like the feel of the a6000.

I have looked at the Fuji. The XT2 is the only one I would consider and its price point is way up there. 16 Megs in the other Fuji series was impressive five or more years ago. The reason I am so excited about the Canon is what you get for the money and it has that Fuji old school look. Here is what I am looking for out of the M5. similar performance and feel to a Fuji XT2 but at 400.00 or more dollars left over to spend on lenses.

But I am still, so far waiting, another two weeks for the M5. I can wait as I am not without a decent camera. I have a Pentax K3 II I bought about this time last year. It weighs about 28 ounces without battery or lens and I think it is to bulky. But it is a great all around camera.

 

[Luds34]

I have looked at the Fuji. The XT2 is the only one I would consider and its price point is way up there. 16 Megs in the other Fuji series was impressive five or more years ago. The reason I am so excited about the Sony is what you get for the money and it has that Fuji old school look. Here is what I am looking for out of the M5. similar performance and feel to a Fuji XT2 but at 400.00 or more dollars left over to spend on lenses.

Well if you're trying to be a bit budget conscience, or at least get the best bang for your buck, another knock against the Fuji X system is the cost of their lenses. Of course some of that is changing a bit with their recent 35mm f/2 at $400. And the new 23mm f/2 that should be out this month is reasonably priced as well.

It's too bad you have a hangup on the 16 MP as you can get an X-T10 or X-E2(s) for $5xx. I thoroughly enjoy my Canon gear, but I really feel for a compact/travel mirrorless system the Fuji system is the one to get.

 

[JamesD]

I have looked at the Fuji. The XT2 is the only one I would consider and its price point is way up there. 16 Megs in the other Fuji series was impressive five or more years ago. The reason I am so excited about the Sony is what you get for the money and it has that Fuji old school look. Here is what I am looking for out of the M5. similar performance and feel to a Fuji XT2 but at 400.00 or more dollars left over to spend on lenses.

Well if you're trying to be a bit budget conscience, or at least get the best bang for your buck, another knock against the Fuji X system is the cost of their lenses. Of course some of that is changing a bit with their recent 35mm f/2 at $400. And the new 23mm f/2 that should be out this month is reasonably priced as well.

It's too bad you have a hangup on the 16 MP as you can get an X-T10 or X-E2(s) for $5xx. I thoroughly enjoy my Canon gear, but I really feel for a compact/travel mirrorless system the Fuji system is the one to get.

This is going to be my one and only all around camera once I decide between the M3 or M5. To give you an idea, the 1st two lenses I am buying will be the the Canon 11-22 and the Tamron 24-70. One super Zoom after that and I will be selling my Pentax gear. I have already given away everything else but will be keeping the old Koni Omega as it makes for a great bookend and better than that it is still fully functioning!

 

[ritholtz]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

James, Sony actually has a greater lens selection for the E mount than Canon had for the M mount.

You can use EF lenses on either camera, but BOTH will require an adapter.

Also, if you like the old school feel, check out Fuji. They have an excellent camera and lens lineup with their X series.

Problem with Sony corp E mount is lens prices. You can buy M3 with 2-3 better quality lenses for the price of Sony 10-18mm. One of the reason I did go with Canon crop is cheap quality glass. So far it is also case with EF-M lens albeit with limited lens selection. Sony crop common walk around lens is 16-70F4 which goes for $700. I bought Sigma 17-50 f2.8 for far less. Sony has nice primes for low light 35mm and 50mm 1.8. Sony doesn't even bother to upgrade kit lens to go with such a promising a6300 release.

 

[ritholtz]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

Welcome to CR. At B&H, the M3 + EVF is currently $469. To get this deal, click on the green "build bundle" button beneath the "add to cart" button.

Man, that is very nice price. May be I should switch to M3 from 70d setup for my occasional use.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

Welcome to CR. At B&H, the M3 + EVF is currently $469. To get this deal, click on the green "build bundle" button beneath the "add to cart" button.

Man, that is very nice price. May be I should switch to M3 from 70d setup for my occasional use.

If you can wait two weeks, the m3 might be even cheaper after the m5 is released.

 

[ritholtz]

New here and I will be new to Canon Cameras soon. I have been shopping and researching the M03 for a few weeks but I am now going to hold out and see what the M05 offers. I am looking for a light field type/walk around camera and so far of the C Sensor cameras the M03 checks most of the boxes.

The Sony, a6000 and a6300, despite all its hype has a very limited lens choice. If the M05 can somewhat match it price wise and performance wise, I think it will blow it out of the water with all the great lens choices Canon has. I can't wait to see this camera!

Every Canon lens would work as well on the Sony's as they do on the M3

That is a valid point but now lets compare price points from B&H Photo.

Sony a6000 body only 548.00
Sony a6300 body only 998.00
Canon M3 body only 448.00

With the M3 I have to buy a viewfinder and with the two Sony's I have to buy an adapter to get started. I like what I have seen of the Canons picture quality. I have had them both in my hands. The M3's look and feel is exactly what I am looking for. My style of shooting is outdoors 90% of the time and my subjects are clouds, water, people, and animals.

I would be willing to spend the 1000.00 for an M5 that performed on par with the a6300. But if my options are the M3 to get that feel and look vs the a6000, I have already decided on the M3. As an aside, I have never owned a Sony or Canon. I have and in the past owned cameras from Pentax, Panasonic, and Minolta digital and film back when they were in business.

The Canon M3 impressed me as feeling like an old school film camera. I really like that about it and yes I have a little age going on at 58 I really want another major company to give Sony a mirror-less run. Competition feeds quality and price. The M3 is I think a good start for Canon.

If the M5 is out soon enough and is a better camera for speed and picture quality, I will get it; otherwise the M3 will be my next camera.

Welcome to CR. At B&H, the M3 + EVF is currently $469. To get this deal, click on the green "build bundle" button beneath the "add to cart" button.

Man, that is very nice price. May be I should switch to M3 from 70d setup for my occasional use.

If you can wait two weeks, the m3 might be even cheaper after the m5 is released.

I will wait for few more weeks and see. What do you think, i am going to miss if I switch to M3 except 7 FPS. Does it have on board flash commander to fire 3rd party flashes. I really liked pics coming out of M3 in Dustin and IR reviews.