Canon reminds me of Microsoft in the early years. They were late to the spreadsheet game but beat up the reigning king Lotus 123. They were late to the word processor game but the beat up the reigning king Word Perfect. There were a lot of operating systems out the but Windows now reigns supreme. Microsoft knows how to stay in the game and best their competitors; so does Canon.The rumor posts and discussion forums here are starting to remind me of Blackberry/Crackberry forums around 2012. Canon is clearly not innovating fast enough relative to competitors, but it's still making plenty of money and has significant market share. Reusing the 5DIV and 6DII sensors makes perfect economic sense, but these are 2-3 year old sensors already. Maybe these are stopgap products, but maybe not. Remember, Canon has a 4 year product cycle, if not longer, and as we've seen with the 5D series, 7D, 6D, 80D, etc., it will defend that product cycle at all costs. That means the bodies it's putting out now will be sold for 3-4 more years, at which point their sensors will be nearing 8 years old, in some cases. These sensors are already outclassed by competitors at launch. 3 years from now, Canon will still be selling the RP, with 4k30fps, with who knows what other handicaps. That's pretty crazy. Who is willing to bet against Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, etc. getting to 4k120 next year?
Nothing to do, of course, for those invested in Canon glass. And no need to panic. The pros will get their work done with the bodies they have, and the rest of us are just messing around.
Nobodies sensors have improved much over the pastr two generations (at least) so the constant whining about re-using sensors is just ignorance talking. Yes, Sony's Exmor is slightly better than Canon 5D IV's. We know. And innovations? Maybe not "sexy" but Canon does things that directly improve the photo taking experience. Much better touch screen functionality, Touch screen AF point selection, Adapters that improve the functionality of existing lenses (how come nobody else thought of that?), Sensor dust screen (how come nobody else thought of that?).The rumor posts and discussion forums here are starting to remind me of Blackberry/Crackberry forums around 2012. Canon is clearly not innovating fast enough relative to competitors, but it's still making plenty of money and has significant market share. Reusing the 5DIV and 6DII sensors makes perfect economic sense, but these are 2-3 year old sensors already. Maybe these are stopgap products, but maybe not. Remember, Canon has a 4 year product cycle, if not longer, and as we've seen with the 5D series, 7D, 6D, 80D, etc., it will defend that product cycle at all costs. That means the bodies it's putting out now will be sold for 3-4 more years, at which point their sensors will be nearing 8 years old, in some cases. These sensors are already outclassed by competitors at launch. 3 years from now, Canon will still be selling the RP, with 4k30fps, with who knows what other handicaps. That's pretty crazy. Who is willing to bet against Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, etc. getting to 4k120 next year?
Nothing to do, of course, for those invested in Canon glass. And no need to panic. The pros will get their work done with the bodies they have, and the rest of us are just messing around.
Didn't the original 12MP 5D (mark 1) launch with an RRP of $1600?
From memory (and the price tag I paid), it was £1600 in the UK, and there is usually a 1:1 £ vs $ conversion for imports such as this.
But this was back in 2005 (??)
Don't you remember when Canon was young
How the 5D set the world on fire?
For stills, Sony is ahead on one specific metric. ONE. This is what drives me nuts about the "canon sensor is old/behind" meme. Sony sensors are ahead on DR at base ISO. That's it. And they're not that far ahead of the 5D IV. Honestly, the 1ev difference in a formal test, vs. the 5D IV, amounts to fiddling with the NR slider in the real world.Nobodies sensors have improved much over the pastr two generations (at least) so the constant whining about re-using sensors is just ignorance talking. Yes, Sony's Exmor is slightly better than Canon 5D IV's.
For that matter, how come Sony can't make an A series body which can survive light rain? Apparently rubber gaskets are innovative technology and Sony is behind Canon cameras from 10 years ago.If companies like Sony are so innovative, how come they can't make a camera that shoots 4K and doesn't overheat? How come the ergonomics are brutal? How come nobody else can match Canon's color science?
Maybe Canon will go into the storage market to compensate for vanishing camera sales?100 MP ?! Does Canon own stock in hard drive companies? 45 MP should be the sweet spot.
Who told you it had an all new sensor? No one, that’s who. A well established fact that it is the 5d4 sensor.Is this just like the 'all new' sensor in the EOS R?
Considering the amount they sell and what the lens selection is between those two system, I say a good amount of timeI have been wondering for a couple years how much time crop DSLRs have left.... If you want small and low cost, you go for an M. If you like the quality and ergonomics, you go FF. The market is shrinking, so how much time does a rebel sized crop camera have left?
Well, it can be said that this staement comes from Canon itself. For example:Who told you it had an all new sensor? No one, that’s who. A well established fact that it is the 5d4 sensor.
5D was 3000+ when it was released.Didn't the original 12MP 5D (mark 1) launch with an RRP of $1600?
From memory (and the price tag I paid), it was £1600 in the UK, and there is usually a 1:1 £ vs $ conversion for imports such as this.
But this was back in 2005 (??)
It was 1700 USD in 2013. With inflation it would be 2000+ today.Wasn't the original A7 around that price? Part of its success was that it was significantly lower priced than the competition.