The New EOS [CR3]

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#201
htjunkie said:
You said it yourself: "If the next 5D were in the same $2400-2800 range, I'd likely sell the 5D2 and buy the new one. "

There you go. Canon sells up an update to your mkII, and it sells me an upgrade from my 7D. What's not to like from a sales point of view? I don't understand your logic.
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The people that own 1Ds Mark III's will want to get the next generation and that leaves them with the choice of buying a $10K 645 system and new lenses or getting a 5D. The logic is, a fair number will opt to keep their lenses and buy a 5D rather than spend a fortune going the 645 route. Canon is going to want to maximize the amount of mover it can get from people that have the money for a 1Ds Mark III but don't want to buy a 645...that logically means that the next 5D will be more to milk atleast some more money out of those shooters used to paying $7000-9000 for a camera body. You have to look at this from both directions, the people moving up to a higher body and those with the higher body (1Ds3) moving laterally to the 1Ds Mark III's small format successor...which I think the next 5D will be because of the close proximity the 1Ds mark III and 5D Mark II already have. The 5D is going to complete the cannibalization and become the small format's high megapixel king.
 
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#202
kirispupis said:
Most of the landscape photographers I know would be perfectly happy with a 35mm camera with a high MP count. Many of them shoot on a tripod at ISO 100 so the image quality losses at higher ISO's wouldn't bother them as much.
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Yep. Absolutely. Give me that + a higher dynamic range, or some new RAW format that would allow for easier HDR. Oh, and an embedded ND filter for those waterfalls, haha!
 
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#204
craigkg said:
htjunkie said:
You said it yourself: "If the next 5D were in the same $2400-2800 range, I'd likely sell the 5D2 and buy the new one. "

There you go. Canon sells up an update to your mkII, and it sells me an upgrade from my 7D. What's not to like from a sales point of view? I don't understand your logic.
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The people that own 1Ds Mark III's will want to get the next generation and that leaves them with the choice of buying a $10K 645 system and new lenses or getting a 5D. The logic is, a fair number will opt to keep their lenses and buy a 5D rather than spend a fortune going the 645 route. Canon is going to want to maximize the amount of mover it can get from people that have the money for a 1Ds Mark III but don't want to buy a 645...that logically means that the next 5D will be more to milk atleast some more money out of those shooters used to paying $7000-9000 for a camera body. You have to look at this from both directions, the people moving up to a higher body and those with the higher body (1Ds3) moving laterally to the 1Ds Mark III's small format successor...which I think the next 5D will be because of the close proximity the 1Ds mark III and 5D Mark II already have. The 5D is going to complete the cannibalization and become the small format's high megapixel king.
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You really think that, from a marketing standpoint, it makes more sense to push the biggest spenders / pros to downgrade their equipment "line" rather than to try to upsell the vast majority of photographers? 1D / 1Ds account for a very small fraction of their customers base. They are not the ones that made the 5D i/ii so popular!

What you're saying is that the 5D MkIII will essentially be the new 1Ds.
 
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#205
htjunkie said:
craigkg said:
htjunkie said:
You said it yourself: "If the next 5D were in the same $2400-2800 range, I'd likely sell the 5D2 and buy the new one. "

There you go. Canon sells up an update to your mkII, and it sells me an upgrade from my 7D. What's not to like from a sales point of view? I don't understand your logic.
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The people that own 1Ds Mark III's will want to get the next generation and that leaves them with the choice of buying a $10K 645 system and new lenses or getting a 5D. The logic is, a fair number will opt to keep their lenses and buy a 5D rather than spend a fortune going the 645 route. Canon is going to want to maximize the amount of mover it can get from people that have the money for a 1Ds Mark III but don't want to buy a 645...that logically means that the next 5D will be more to milk atleast some more money out of those shooters used to paying $7000-9000 for a camera body. You have to look at this from both directions, the people moving up to a higher body and those with the higher body (1Ds3) moving laterally to the 1Ds Mark III's small format successor...which I think the next 5D will be because of the close proximity the 1Ds mark III and 5D Mark II already have. The 5D is going to complete the cannibalization and become the small format's high megapixel king.
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You really think that, from a marketing standpoint, it makes more sense to push the biggest spenders / pros to downgrade their equipment "line" rather than to try to upsell the vast majority of photographers? 1D / 1Ds account for a very small fraction of their customers base. They are not the ones that made the 5D i/ii so popular!

What you're saying is that the 5D MkIII will essentially be the new 1Ds.
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And what I am saying is that the 5D3 will not be a downgrade for 1Ds3 users, it will be an upgrade because in many respects (e.g. video) the 5D2 is already an upgrade of the 1Ds3. The deal breaker for the pros is it isn't weather sealed and doesn't have dual card slots. In essence I am saying the 1Ds is going away as a name and the 5D Mark III will be its replacement simply because there isn't enough room to both upgrade the 5D Mark II and 1Ds Mark III without them being so similar that people would rather buy the 5D3. Canon isn't going to develop a new 1Ds if the 5D's next model is going to cannibalize its sales all over again, but is also isn't going to ignore the fact that 1Ds3 users will want some of those 1Ds3 features in the next small format megapixel king, like weather sealing, expanded capabilities in firmware (eg. 7 shot AEB, etc) and maybe dual card slots. Those upgrades in the 5D line will not be free. It will push the 5D price higher. They won't use the 1Ds name for the next 5D either because that is reserved for the top of the line and with a 645 system, it won't be the top of the line. They can't really create a new camera with a different name to position above the 5D without having the same problem as the 5D2 and 1Ds3 currently have and they certainly can't drop the specs of the 5D line to position it as the affordable FF camera. The next affordable ($2000-3000) full frame camera won't likely be a 5D, it will be a 3D/7D mark II/6D/9D/etc.
 
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OK, it makes sense now.

Well, I hope something will take the place of the current 5D mkII price point / capabilities, with some minor upgrades. Because I sure as hell can't afford 3-4K on a body.
 
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#207
mreco99 said:
I think its more than just high rollers that know anything. Someone has to build parts for prototypes, make drawings, get marketing ready weeks before the anouncement etc etc. Hats off to Canon, they run a tight ship.
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Yeah it seems they been taking tips from Apple i.e. keep everyone guessing until the very last minute (including their own employees).
 
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#217
Cojonasso said:
Tomorrow morning at 4.00 GMT the announcement. No merging between 1D-1Ds.
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I'm struggling to see anything being released at all, let alone being able to predict 0400GMT. It's been seriously quiet over the last few days compared to before the 1D Mk4 was released. Still, there are some people on this forum who seem to have re-written Canon's entire lineup based upon this rumour.

I hope for Craig's sake that something is released, otherwise he might face lynch mobs now that he's revealed his true identity; I guess that's why superheroes are always so coy (apart from Superman, for whom a pair of NHS specs and not wearing his undies over his trousers seems to suffice).
 
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#219
traveller said:
Cojonasso said:
Tomorrow morning at 4.00 GMT the announcement. No merging between 1D-1Ds.
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I hope for Craig's sake that something is released, otherwise he might face lynch mobs now that he's revealed his true identity; I guess that's why superheroes are always so coy (apart from Superman, for whom a pair of NHS specs and not wearing his undies over his trousers seems to suffice).
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Which is why I applauded cr guy for making the CR3 prediction (even though I was stabbed with a smite by some knucklehead).

He deserves credit for taking the plunge...
 
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