The New EOS [CR3]

[Meh]

If these are the new specs, and they're correct, and it's an 18MP FF sensor, then it can ONLY be one of the following:
a) Not the flagship and something better will come later (more likely)

Exactly!

 

[Meh]

I get the feeling from that ad that was linked to that we're going to see the entire EOS line upgraded, and if that is the case then the rumor mill has really been starved of credible info.

Sweet! Let us pray together. Why not? Digic5 is ready and manufacturing was already disrupted so good time to retool and release 1D5, 5D3, 6D, and 7D2 all at once. LOL wishful thinking but it could happen

 

[niccyboy]

My main concern about in Camera GPS is that it does not function well in the reviews I've seen so far, and it eats up batteries.

I don't object to it, its a good idea, but it would be more attractive if it worked better than what we've seen so far. The external GPS modules seem to work just fine, but are another item to drag around.

I forgot to add - this needs to be a feature you can turn off. Sometimes you would prefer not to have images geotagged, and sometimes you do really need the battery life just for shooting.

I do like the way the Nikon one works. It doesn't affect the battery life. It is an attachment and it's cheap.
I think Canon could implement this easily... it is pretty much just recording the GPS location off the attachment, not powering the GPS or doing anything other than recording the lat and long onto the exif, just as it records the time, date, copyright info etc.

AFAIK Canon currently needs the wireless transmitter base to use GPS currently, which is about a grand PLUS the attachment. I may be wrong, but this is what i was told when we were researching our kit and ended up using nikon on that job.

 

[John Thomas]

If these are the new specs, and they're correct, and it's an 18MP FF sensor, then it can ONLY be one of the following:
a) Not the flagship and something better will come later (more likely)
b) A foveon-type sensor (my hope)
c) A corporate suicide note.

a) -> My take: Unprobably, given the way in which the event/camera is promoted

b) -> Perhaps this?
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,1209.0.html
My take:


c) -> My take: if not b) then c)
The "social charge" of an 18MP Bayer sensor in a flagship camera today is too high to sustain, even for Canon.

And now I'm thinking at the latest Nikon mirrorless "cameras"...

 

[Stuart]

Availability in March - really this is ages away.

 

[Joseph]

I dont know about any of you , but I am extremely excited for any DSLR camera coming out with a DUAL DIGIC 5 cpu's , I read this amazing cpu has 75% less noise than the Digic 4 - if you then attach these 2 bad boys to a beautiful 18mp+ sensored DSLR ;D I will poo all over my chair right now !!!! Noise is the one plague I want out of my images , and 18 megapixel is more than enough for any publications I or most anyone submits too - I can crop half of the 18mp image and still have enough resolution for full page print , Canon bring it on , but BRING IT NOW !!!!!! I'm ready for my new muscle !!!!!

 

[Ricku]

I dont know about any of you , but I am extremely excited for any DSLR camera coming out with a DUAL DIGIC 5 cpu's , I read this amazing cpu has 75% less noise than the Digic 4 - if you then attach these 2 bad boys to a beautiful 18mp+ sensored DSLR ;D I will poo all over my chair right now !!!! Noise is the one plague I want out of my images , and 18 megapixel is more than enough for any publications I or most anyone submits too - I can crop half of the 18mp image and still have enough resolution for full page print , Canon bring it on , but BRING IT NOW !!!!!! I'm ready for my new muscle !!!!!

+1 ! ..or should I say +1000!

You took the words right out of me.

 

[Picsfor]

gives me a chance to play with it on Oct 26th at London Canon Pro show.

Then, if i like it, gives me the chance to save up and buy 1 or 2 of them by the time it becomes available in March :

 

[Gothmoth]

I dont know about any of you , but I am extremely excited for any DSLR camera coming out with a DUAL DIGIC 5 cpu's , I read this amazing cpu has 75% less noise than the Digic 4

i think "has" is the wrong word here.

 

[wockawocka]

I dont know about any of you , but I am extremely excited for any DSLR camera coming out with a DUAL DIGIC 5 cpu's , I read this amazing cpu has 75% less noise than the Digic 4 - if you then attach these 2 bad boys to a beautiful 18mp+ sensored DSLR ;D I will poo all over my chair right now !!!! Noise is the one plague I want out of my images , and 18 megapixel is more than enough for any publications I or most anyone submits too - I can crop half of the 18mp image and still have enough resolution for full page print , Canon bring it on , but BRING IT NOW !!!!!! I'm ready for my new muscle !!!!!

Noise in an image comes from the amount of energy pumped through the sensor. The only point at which the Digic processor reduces noise is if you use it to reduce noise (and soften the image as a consequence).

Only an improvement in the sensor will improve the level of noise.

 

[Bob Howland]

I dont know about any of you , but I am extremely excited for any DSLR camera coming out with a DUAL DIGIC 5 cpu's , I read this amazing cpu has 75% less noise than the Digic 4 - if you then attach these 2 bad boys to a beautiful 18mp+ sensored DSLR ;D I will poo all over my chair right now !!!! Noise is the one plague I want out of my images , and 18 megapixel is more than enough for any publications I or most anyone submits too - I can crop half of the 18mp image and still have enough resolution for full page print , Canon bring it on , but BRING IT NOW !!!!!! I'm ready for my new muscle !!!!!

Noise in an image comes from the amount of energy pumped through the sensor. The only point at which the Digic processor reduces noise is if you use it to reduce noise (and soften the image as a consequence).

Only an improvement in the sensor will improve the level of noise.

So the sensor is the only source of noise in an image, the amplifiers and A-to-D converter can't introduce additional noise? Are these components separate from the Digic or are they part of it?

 

[Gothmoth]

there can be all kind of other noise sources.. but the sensor noise is the basic.

 

[iaind]

I get the feeling from that ad that was linked to that we're going to see the entire EOS line upgraded, and if that is the case then the rumor mill has really been starved of credible info.

The Singapore Ad gives that impression but it might be a teaser for an additional body. Roll on Tuesday.

 

[NotABunny]

I get the feeling from that ad that was linked to that we're going to see the entire EOS line upgraded, and if that is the case then the rumor mill has really been starved of credible info.

Hehe, the voice of wisdom. If they are going to announce a camera with 5 months in advance, they might as well announce all of them (planned cameras).

 

[Woody]

So the sensor is the only source of noise in an image, the amplifiers and A-to-D converter can't introduce additional noise? Are these components separate from the Digic or are they part of it?

I am inclined to think DIGIC is a jpeg processor. It only affects jpeg output.

While amplifiers and A-D converters most certainly affect sensor performance (Canon's Archille's heel is their sensor electronics introduces way too much noise at low ISO, which then translates into limited dynamic range... as compared to Sony sensors), they are not part of DIGIC.

 

[Orangutan]

there can be all kind of other noise sources..

I think the "rumor mill" is our primary source of noise right now.


No, really, it's funny how people keep looking at this like a Rorschach test, seeing exactly what they want to see. Instead, look at it from the business perspective, not the aficionado perspective:

• The 5D2 damped 1Ds3 sales, which means that high IQ is more important than build for that segment, though some still need the build. How many former 1Ds3 buyers bought two 5D2's? A question will then pass through an executive's mind: how much more would folks pay for the 5D3 before they start losing sales. I.e., what's the "sweet spot" of (higher margin) x (lower volume). My guess is that it's somewhere between $3K and $3.5K.
• Reasonable success of 1D4, even compared to 5D2 and 7D, means there's still a profit to be had.
• The 7D has been very successful, so it will be continued.

If I'm a Canon marketing exec, I'm going to re-structure my entire line around my cash cow, the 5D3, as follows:

• 5D3 will be high res, high IQ, studio, landscape, wedding camera. It will have improved build quality, but not 1D-level. Optional "armor" might be sold for it to accommodate trips to Antarctica. Whether it has improved (7D-type) AF or vastly improved video (i.e. no rolling shutter) will depend on whether they intend to offer a new top-of-the-line camera...ever. They can't make this decision until competitors release their products (RED, Nikon D800). That's why we won't see the 5D3 or possible 1Ds for a month or two, at earliest. I doubt the 5D3 specs have been finalized, but it's probably narrowed down to two or three possibilities now.
• 7D2 will be the reasonable evolutionary advance from the 7D, and will likely announce after the Nikon D400.
• (*EDIT*) It's possible that the 1D5 will be the new video standard-bearer, and the 5D3 will not get a revolutionary video upgrade.
• New 1Ds? Depends on the competition, and whether Canon thinks there's enough market. If so, it will be over-the-moon tech to separate it from the 5D3, and have an over-the-moon price. Don't bet on it.

 

[Bob Howland]

To anyone who thinks this is about sales volume and/or dollars of the flagship itself, think again. The money Canon brings in from their top end cameras is small potatoes compared to their P&S and low and mid range DSLRs. This issue is the prestige and branding image that comes with the perception that your flagship camera demonstrates technology that exceeds the other brands. That perception drives sales of the a good portion of the more inexpensive cameras where the money is made.

From what I've seen, most Canon P&S and Rebel owners have no idea that a 1D-series even exists. Furthermore, most Rebel owners seem to leave their camera mode set to that little green box where the camera makes most of the decisions. In short, most of them are very unsophisticated. Most 1D buyers, on the other hand, are much more sophisticated or at least sophisticated enough to know what camera performance parameters are limiting their work. It doesn't seem to be resolution that they find limiting.

I disagree, i think a lot of REBEL owners know about the 1d series. Look at this forum and the signatures on the bottom. A lot of the regular posters here have Rebels. I don't drive a ferrari but i know a lot about them.

And I drive a Honda Fit and also know a lot about Ferraris (and even more about Porsches), but I'm quite sure that, to most Fit owners, Ferrari and Porsche are just names, at best. I can't count the number of times I've explained why my DSLR is better than their P&S or that, no, it's not that camera that's impressive, it's the 300 f/2.8 lens mounted on the front of it.

 

[notacoach]

Based on rumours this past year, how about this:

New 1d = pro (largely sport/speed) market. Larger form factor.
New 3d (or 5dIII)= high end/pro studio/landscape FF, crazy high ISO quality, larger form factor, video for pro use.
5dIII (or 3d or 9d) = routine upgrade to 5dII (with special attention to improved AF with more points, and inclusion of flash commander) but overall pretty much as-is. Relatively affordable, small-form FF.
7d = pretty much as-is. Top of the line crop, but still relatively affordable pro-useable, sports/all-rounder
XXd = more than entry level, but without the pro features - consumer all-rounder.
Rebels = entry level.

Maybe 3d and 5dIII specs reversed (if only to keep "name recognition" of the 5d for video), with 3d being the relatively affordable FF, and the 5dIII staying the pro FF/video camera. Or even a 9d being introduced as a relatively affordable FF (pure speculation based on Canon numbering traditions)

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Lulz. Slightly OT, from the CR FB page:

Canon Rumors
Nikon marketing employees joining the CR forum, you should turn your auto responder off on your email account, or use a different account.

;D ;D

 

[macfly]

All you guys betting against a new 1Ds MkIV seem to miss that this is exactly what was shown in the Singapore Today ad, a 1Ds. I think we're going to see a 25 year celebration of the EOS mae with some kind of blow everyone away announcement.

Also Canon must know that what happened to Flip is soon going to happen to the entire p&s market. Anyone played with the camera on the new iPhone 4s yet? It'll blow your mind, and will send every camera maker running for the high ground.