UPDATED: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

[rrcphoto]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

a 20 year professional that obviously used canon for stills, and you're just griping about video.. got it.

 

[9VIII]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

!. Top of the line at the time 5D Mark iii did not even have clean HDMI out at first, finally did, but even then NO audio for god sake! It is 8 bit 422 where GH4 is 10 bit and 4K

2. 70D has NO HDMI out because it it crippled ON PURPOSE. Only alternative is Raw via firmware heist. This is just awful. It forces you to use highly compressed video which makes color grading extremely difficult and exposure modification iffy. It is wrong, wrong.

3. No 4K even on there Cinema line until you get to 15000 dollars. What the heck is going on here. Yes they have one alternative now but it is a crazy mix of a camera video thingy for media web journalists supposedly and has a fixed lens so that is a loser right out of the gate.

OMG I don't hate Canon, we use to love them. We have giant bucks tied up with them. But Sony thank you Sony how will allow us to use all our glass and sell our cameras and bye bye Cannon. That is right gone.

So good luck Canon Rumors.

Are we just at predictions of doom right now? Or should I bring out the Squirrel?

 

[slclick]

Why would anyone think the latest incarnation of the XXD line is when Canon would make some sort of evolutionary leap as opposed to an approach we all know them for (and most, appreciate)? Go ahead jump ship, the battery door might hurt as it slaps you in the arse... who makes the best glass baby? Not your ideal sensor spec'd, video perfect world, Chapter 11 Sony.

How many keyboards have been cracked in anger over this release? lol

 

[nightscape123]

However this seems like a camera that is geared heavily towards video yet it lacks the very basic 4k video that even most cell phones can do these days. I don't understand the logic here. Who would buy a such an expensive video camera that can't even handle basic resolutions?

You're right, just stick with your cell phone. They take great stills, too.

More and more people are. Even some wedding photographers are switching over to cell phones now.

 

[Chaitanya]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Here are detailed specs of the camera:
http://digicame-info.com/2016/02/eos-80d-3.html

Looks like serious meh, a camera that should have been made 2 years back to compete with Nikon D7100. Today this camera is serious piece of garbage being dumped by Canon after snuffing drugs.

70D handily beat D7100 in almost every area. You can just buy 70D and save the money if that is all you need.
Check this great Michael epic shootout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOM4r1gxsbs

No 4K video
No Dual Sd Slots
No UHS-II compatibility
No USB 3.x
No Af linked spot metering

I see no reason to upgrade from 70D, I primarily shoot macro and Af upgrades are useless to me.

Fair enough. Even for users asking for more DR, can go with ML and gain some of it without upgrading to 80d. But you assertion of 80d competing with d7100 is not correct. 70d itself proved to be better than d7100 based on lot of parameters. Except dpr where they declared d7100 best crop camera over every other crop camera including 7d2. That being said other than poor live view AF and 1 raw file buffer, there is nothing much to differentiate them.

Overall IQ from Nikon D7x00 is definitely better than equivalent Canon Eosx0D. Also in case of 80D reading the rumoured specs it feels like Canon is purposfully holding it back to protect its 7D markII. In this price range many cameras are doing 4K for two years now and I know a lot of youtubers who got rid of their canon bodies in favour of GH4. Even I wanted 4K as when I am out in field I can shoot videos of animals(amphibians, insects and reptiles) and crop in post if I wasnt able to get closer to subjects.
Another complaint that I have with 60/70/80D is that D-Pad is too low and it isnt too comfortable to change af points. Position of D Pad on Nikons D7x00 feels a lot better. If Canon would have mkved that D-Pad upwards by 1/2" it would be ergonomically better.

Im actually enjoying your later replies, as the first ones were kind of ridiculous (this is garbage! who needs AF? Whaaaa??).

So if this camera completely spec-kills the 7d2, then what would that do to 7d2 sales, targeted at a particular market? You already answered that question. I and others certainly dont like canon's spec leveling to maintain their segments, but when people show a disdain for a body CLEARLY not meant for them, it gets wacky real fast. I prefer Nikon's kitchen sink approach, but they,it is what it is.

The 70d was a fantastic, 'do everything, feature complete' machine (except that non live view focus...please fix), and the thumb-wheel placement is nowhere close to being a point of contention. Is the joystick better? Sure, but so is a 5d3

There is no confirmation of the AF point spread, but hey, it's pretty darn crazy to complain about MORE AF POINTs, eh?

Two card slots? Would be nice, but not the end of the world, at all.

Im also pretty sure you understand that macro is a small slice of the community, no matter how awesome it is (nice pics)

Lastly for 4k, introducing that in a body level that many many wont use it -i figure- its a hit or miss. I cant call it.

Anyways, with this 80D, i never need a rebel again. And my crash courses in videography will be supported by a mid tier body that fully embraces video. And it will cost less than a 7D2, +swivel screen, + potentially better sensor, etc....Scoooooooooorrrrrre!

Cheers and beers

I know unlike big shooter, I fall into even smaller niche of market.
Dual memory slots aren't the end of the world, but for me it serves a practical purpose: 1st backup(in case I am out alone in field) 2nd: Usually I can give card to my friend who can photograph subjects and help in reducing stress on animal as I don't have to photograph again.
70D inherited AF module from 7D but its AF point spread is not as wide as 7D's was. I suspect even with 80D that AF point spread is not going to be edge to edge. I have been using 70D for last two years, but I have never faced problem with AF. I works perfectly for me, although most of the times I use it lenses stopped down to f11 and slower.
I am not saying Canon should take kitchen sink approach like Sony, but the AF linked spot metering(already present on 1D series), dual memory card slots are reasonable expectations from a camera of this price bracket.
From all the specs(body and lens) that have been leaked it seems like a this is a camera Canon is targeting towards video shooters. Again in 2016 Canon doesnt make a 1200$ camera that shoots 4k is going to be a big sore point from marketing perspective. In a few months when Nikon releases their D7300 or 7500 Nikon sure will make sure to point this shortcoming. I wanted 4K for the ability to crop in post, as most of my subjects(male frogs and toads calling for females) are shy and I can't get close enough even with Sigma 150mm macro.

 

[Chaitanya]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Here are detailed specs of the camera:
http://digicame-info.com/2016/02/eos-80d-3.html

Looks like serious meh, a camera that should have been made 2 years back to compete with Nikon D7100. Today this camera is serious piece of garbage being dumped by Canon after snuffing drugs.

70D handily beat D7100 in almost every area. You can just buy 70D and save the money if that is all you need.
Check this great Michael epic shootout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOM4r1gxsbs

No 4K video
No Dual Sd Slots
No UHS-II compatibility
No USB 3.x
No Af linked spot metering

I see no reason to upgrade from 70D, I primarily shoot macro and Af upgrades are useless to me.

Fair enough. Even for users asking for more DR, can go with ML and gain some of it without upgrading to 80d. But you assertion of 80d competing with d7100 is not correct. 70d itself proved to be better than d7100 based on lot of parameters. Except dpr where they declared d7100 best crop camera over every other crop camera including 7d2. That being said other than poor live view AF and 1 raw file buffer, there is nothing much to differentiate them.

Overall IQ from Nikon D7x00 is definitely better than equivalent Canon Eosx0D. Also in case of 80D reading the rumoured specs it feels like Canon is purposfully holding it back to protect its 7D markII. In this price range many cameras are doing 4K for two years now and I know a lot of youtubers who got rid of their canon bodies in favour of GH4. Even I wanted 4K as when I am out in field I can shoot videos of animals(amphibians, insects and reptiles) and crop in post if I wasnt able to get closer to subjects.
Another complaint that I have with 60/70/80D is that D-Pad is too low and it isnt too comfortable to change af points. Position of D Pad on Nikons D7x00 feels a lot better. If Canon would have mkved that D-Pad upwards by 1/2" it would be ergonomically better.

Agree with you about overall IQ between D7X00 and D5x00 vs Canon equivalents. I think they are always going to be shade better considering small sensor differences and DR. DPR/Rishi summarised some where about these IQ differences between Nikon and Canon and Sony crop cameras. They are pretty good at studio tests and IQ determination.

Hopefully Canon is going to close DR differences. I do not know much about GH4. But stills you might have a problem with smaller sensor compared to Canon and Nikon crop sensors. I guess Samsung is the one made big breakthrough in terms of proper video quality but they ended up closing shop. I heard Sony video quality from crop sensor is also crap for serious users.

Regarding changing focus points, I use wheel to move side to side and D-pad to move it up and down. I am just very basic rebel user. Upgraded to 70D when Canon did deep discount sale. Grabbed 10-18mm and 55-250 STM lens in similar circumstances. For serious users, D-pad might be a problem

Any idea on HD video shooting feature on 80d. We might also see better video quality from 80D. Frankly best thing Canon does is, these amazing sales on refurbs once in awhile.

Thanks to metabones and other speedbooster adaptors the small sensor of micro 4/3 didn't make too much difference for people who are shooting under controlled situation. For video shooters on Sony platform they either have to get A7s series or upgrade all the way up to their FS series of cameras. Even though on paper their A6x00 camera and others offer good video features, overall video quality is not upto mark.I know a couple of filmmakers from my part of the world who first started SLR video thanks to Canons 5D mark II but were put off by this Canon's stupidity of protecting their expensive cameras and have all now shifted to Panasonic Gh4, and Sony A7s for their video needs. Even if Canon improves the IQ on their cameras, their backward mentality of protecting expensive cameras is becoming a real pain in rearside and putting off a lot of users.

Nice pics. There is hope for better video quality. Canon actually talked down video quality of 5DS. But there are users who claimed 5DS 1080p is better than any Canon DSLR.

Thanks, that frog photos was shot with my friends D7200. And there are situation like those where those Dual SD slots are lifesaver for us. I really hope that for Canon's sake 4K video for 80D is just firmware limitation which Canon can lift later on.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

However this seems like a camera that is geared heavily towards video yet it lacks the very basic 4k video that even most cell phones can do these days. I don't understand the logic here. Who would buy a such an expensive video camera that can't even handle basic resolutions?

You're right, just stick with your cell phone. They take great stills, too.

More and more people are. Even some wedding photographers are switching over to cell phones now.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Don Haines]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

!. Top of the line at the time 5D Mark iii did not even have clean HDMI out at first, finally did, but even then NO audio for god sake! It is 8 bit 422 where GH4 is 10 bit and 4K

2. 70D has NO HDMI out because it it crippled ON PURPOSE. Only alternative is Raw via firmware heist. This is just awful. It forces you to use highly compressed video which makes color grading extremely difficult and exposure modification iffy. It is wrong, wrong.

3. No 4K even on there Cinema line until you get to 15000 dollars. What the heck is going on here. Yes they have one alternative now but it is a crazy mix of a camera video thingy for media web journalists supposedly and has a fixed lens so that is a loser right out of the gate.

OMG I don't hate Canon, we use to love them. We have giant bucks tied up with them. But Sony thank you Sony how will allow us to use all our glass and sell our cameras and bye bye Cannon. That is right gone.

So good luck Canon Rumors.

Are we just at predictions of doom right now? Or should I bring out the Squirrel?

this is too nuts for squirrels

 

[NancyP]

I will be very curious to see what the new sensor manufacturing process does.

 

[Don Haines]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

!. Top of the line at the time 5D Mark iii did not even have clean HDMI out at first, finally did, but even then NO audio for god sake! It is 8 bit 422 where GH4 is 10 bit and 4K

2. 70D has NO HDMI out because it it crippled ON PURPOSE. Only alternative is Raw via firmware heist. This is just awful. It forces you to use highly compressed video which makes color grading extremely difficult and exposure modification iffy. It is wrong, wrong.

3. No 4K even on there Cinema line until you get to 15000 dollars. What the heck is going on here. Yes they have one alternative now but it is a crazy mix of a camera video thingy for media web journalists supposedly and has a fixed lens so that is a loser right out of the gate.

OMG I don't hate Canon, we use to love them. We have giant bucks tied up with them. But Sony thank you Sony how will allow us to use all our glass and sell our cameras and bye bye Cannon. That is right gone.

So good luck Canon Rumors.

Are we just at predictions of doom right now? Or should I bring out the Squirrel?

this is too nuts for squirrels

perhaps we should try

 

[Don Haines]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

!. Top of the line at the time 5D Mark iii did not even have clean HDMI out at first, finally did, but even then NO audio for god sake! It is 8 bit 422 where GH4 is 10 bit and 4K

2. 70D has NO HDMI out because it it crippled ON PURPOSE. Only alternative is Raw via firmware heist. This is just awful. It forces you to use highly compressed video which makes color grading extremely difficult and exposure modification iffy. It is wrong, wrong.

3. No 4K even on there Cinema line until you get to 15000 dollars. What the heck is going on here. Yes they have one alternative now but it is a crazy mix of a camera video thingy for media web journalists supposedly and has a fixed lens so that is a loser right out of the gate.

OMG I don't hate Canon, we use to love them. We have giant bucks tied up with them. But Sony thank you Sony how will allow us to use all our glass and sell our cameras and bye bye Cannon. That is right gone.

So good luck Canon Rumors.

Are we just at predictions of doom right now? Or should I bring out the Squirrel?

this is too nuts for squirrels

perhaps we should try

nesting

 

[Refurb7]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

!. Top of the line at the time 5D Mark iii did not even have clean HDMI out at first, finally did, but even then NO audio for god sake! It is 8 bit 422 where GH4 is 10 bit and 4K

2. 70D has NO HDMI out because it it crippled ON PURPOSE. Only alternative is Raw via firmware heist. This is just awful. It forces you to use highly compressed video which makes color grading extremely difficult and exposure modification iffy. It is wrong, wrong.

3. No 4K even on there Cinema line until you get to 15000 dollars. What the heck is going on here. Yes they have one alternative now but it is a crazy mix of a camera video thingy for media web journalists supposedly and has a fixed lens so that is a loser right out of the gate.

OMG I don't hate Canon, we use to love them. We have giant bucks tied up with them. But Sony thank you Sony how will allow us to use all our glass and sell our cameras and bye bye Cannon. That is right gone.

So good luck Canon Rumors.

"Canon is crippling their cameras to protect higher end models"

This nonsense about "crippling" goes round and round on the Internet. So-called crippling is called building for a price, and every business does it, including photographers.

Photographers show amazing hypocrisy here. Whether your clients pay you $500, $1000, $2500, $5000 or $10000, do they get the exact same service/products? Of course they don't. So you are "crippling" your cheaper services/products on purpose to "protect" your more expensive services/products. You don't give away the store. But when you give less for less money, you don't call it "crippling". You call it good business.

So go to Sony and put up with their ergonomics, menus, flash, lens system, battery life, repair service (actually 3d party), etc. Of course, Sony may give you some extra feature. They absolutely should — to make up for their other deficiencies. But they don't give away the store either. They give something extra, but you'll pay with other compromises.

 

[Berty Rampkin]

I would be surprised if Canon did not put 4k the 80D - I mean it would be typical cunning Canon if they put
4k into a crop body with poor low light noise performance, 1 SD slot and poor battery performance with 9 focus points, one centre cross type and like 3fps

Give me a job at Canon!

 

[crashpc]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

!. Top of the line at the time 5D Mark iii did not even have clean HDMI out at first, finally did, but even then NO audio for god sake! It is 8 bit 422 where GH4 is 10 bit and 4K

2. 70D has NO HDMI out because it it crippled ON PURPOSE. Only alternative is Raw via firmware heist. This is just awful. It forces you to use highly compressed video which makes color grading extremely difficult and exposure modification iffy. It is wrong, wrong.

3. No 4K even on there Cinema line until you get to 15000 dollars. What the heck is going on here. Yes they have one alternative now but it is a crazy mix of a camera video thingy for media web journalists supposedly and has a fixed lens so that is a loser right out of the gate.

OMG I don't hate Canon, we use to love them. We have giant bucks tied up with them. But Sony thank you Sony how will allow us to use all our glass and sell our cameras and bye bye Cannon. That is right gone.

So good luck Canon Rumors.

"Canon is crippling their cameras to protect higher end models"

This nonsense about "crippling" goes round and round on the Internet. So-called crippling is called building for a price, and every business does it, including photographers.

Photographers show amazing hypocrisy here. Whether your clients pay you $500, $1000, $2500, $5000 or $10000, do they get the exact same service/products? Of course they don't. So you are "crippling" your cheaper services/products on purpose to "protect" your more expensive services/products. You don't give away the store. But when you give less for less money, you don't call it "crippling". You call it good business.

So go to Sony and put up with their ergonomics, menus, flash, lens system, battery life, repair service (actually 3d party), etc. Of course, Sony may give you some extra feature. They absolutely should — to make up for their other deficiencies. But they don't give away the store either. They give something extra, but you'll pay with other compromises.

Not valid. There are many features to enable "just like that" without more expensive HW.

 

[ritholtz]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Here are detailed specs of the camera:
http://digicame-info.com/2016/02/eos-80d-3.html

Looks like serious meh, a camera that should have been made 2 years back to compete with Nikon D7100. Today this camera is serious piece of garbage being dumped by Canon after snuffing drugs.

70D handily beat D7100 in almost every area. You can just buy 70D and save the money if that is all you need.
Check this great Michael epic shootout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOM4r1gxsbs

No 4K video
No Dual Sd Slots
No UHS-II compatibility
No USB 3.x
No Af linked spot metering

I see no reason to upgrade from 70D, I primarily shoot macro and Af upgrades are useless to me.

Fair enough. Even for users asking for more DR, can go with ML and gain some of it without upgrading to 80d. But you assertion of 80d competing with d7100 is not correct. 70d itself proved to be better than d7100 based on lot of parameters. Except dpr where they declared d7100 best crop camera over every other crop camera including 7d2. That being said other than poor live view AF and 1 raw file buffer, there is nothing much to differentiate them.

Overall IQ from Nikon D7x00 is definitely better than equivalent Canon Eosx0D. Also in case of 80D reading the rumoured specs it feels like Canon is purposfully holding it back to protect its 7D markII. In this price range many cameras are doing 4K for two years now and I know a lot of youtubers who got rid of their canon bodies in favour of GH4. Even I wanted 4K as when I am out in field I can shoot videos of animals(amphibians, insects and reptiles) and crop in post if I wasnt able to get closer to subjects.
Another complaint that I have with 60/70/80D is that D-Pad is too low and it isnt too comfortable to change af points. Position of D Pad on Nikons D7x00 feels a lot better. If Canon would have mkved that D-Pad upwards by 1/2" it would be ergonomically better.

Agree with you about overall IQ between D7X00 and D5x00 vs Canon equivalents. I think they are always going to be shade better considering small sensor differences and DR. DPR/Rishi summarised some where about these IQ differences between Nikon and Canon and Sony crop cameras. They are pretty good at studio tests and IQ determination.

Hopefully Canon is going to close DR differences. I do not know much about GH4. But stills you might have a problem with smaller sensor compared to Canon and Nikon crop sensors. I guess Samsung is the one made big breakthrough in terms of proper video quality but they ended up closing shop. I heard Sony video quality from crop sensor is also crap for serious users.

Regarding changing focus points, I use wheel to move side to side and D-pad to move it up and down. I am just very basic rebel user. Upgraded to 70D when Canon did deep discount sale. Grabbed 10-18mm and 55-250 STM lens in similar circumstances. For serious users, D-pad might be a problem

Any idea on HD video shooting feature on 80d. We might also see better video quality from 80D. Frankly best thing Canon does is, these amazing sales on refurbs once in awhile.

Thanks to metabones and other speedbooster adaptors the small sensor of micro 4/3 didn't make too much difference for people who are shooting under controlled situation. For video shooters on Sony platform they either have to get A7s series or upgrade all the way up to their FS series of cameras. Even though on paper their A6x00 camera and others offer good video features, overall video quality is not upto mark.I know a couple of filmmakers from my part of the world who first started SLR video thanks to Canons 5D mark II but were put off by this Canon's stupidity of protecting their expensive cameras and have all now shifted to Panasonic Gh4, and Sony A7s for their video needs. Even if Canon improves the IQ on their cameras, their backward mentality of protecting expensive cameras is becoming a real pain in rearside and putting off a lot of users.

Nice pics. There is hope for better video quality. Canon actually talked down video quality of 5DS. But there are users who claimed 5DS 1080p is better than any Canon DSLR.

Thanks, that frog photos was shot with my friends D7200. And there are situation like those where those Dual SD slots are lifesaver for us. I really hope that for Canon's sake 4K video for 80D is just firmware limitation which Canon can lift later on.

Someone called Paul on POTN, makes amazing macro pics with 70D. You should check out 70D thread on that website.

 

[unfocused]

"Canon is crippling their cameras to protect higher end models"

This nonsense about "crippling" goes round and round on the Internet. So-called crippling is called building for a price, and every business does it, including photographers.

Photographers show amazing hypocrisy here. Whether your clients pay you $500, $1000, $2500, $5000 or $10000, do they get the exact same service/products? Of course they don't. So you are "crippling" your cheaper services/products on purpose to "protect" your more expensive services/products. You don't give away the store. But when you give less for less money, you don't call it "crippling". You call it good business...

Not valid. There are many features to enable "just like that" without more expensive HW.

And you know this because you are a camera designer/engineer?

Plus, your "point" is a complete non-sequitur. Try reading Refurb7's comments about photographers offering their own product differentiation based on price. Give me an example of one business that does not differentiate between various levels of products.

 

[Loswr]

However this seems like a camera that is geared heavily towards video yet it lacks the very basic 4k video that even most cell phones can do these days. I don't understand the logic here. Who would buy a such an expensive video camera that can't even handle basic resolutions?

You're right, just stick with your cell phone. They take great stills, too.

More and more people are. Even some wedding photographers are switching over to cell phones now.

Exactly. So leave this dump behind and head on over to iPhoneRumors.com. When you deliver your wedding stills and 4K video shot with a smartphone to the bride and she punches you in the face then sues for damages, don't blame us.

Have a nice life!

 

[rrcphoto]

Major complaint about Canon from a 20 year professional loyal user who is leaving! Deliberate handicapping of cameras across the line. That is right on purpose. We are sick of it. Done. Over and out. Gone. Horse is out of the barn, left.

!. Top of the line at the time 5D Mark iii did not even have clean HDMI out at first, finally did, but even then NO audio for god sake! It is 8 bit 422 where GH4 is 10 bit and 4K

2. 70D has NO HDMI out because it it crippled ON PURPOSE. Only alternative is Raw via firmware heist. This is just awful. It forces you to use highly compressed video which makes color grading extremely difficult and exposure modification iffy. It is wrong, wrong.

3. No 4K even on there Cinema line until you get to 15000 dollars. What the heck is going on here. Yes they have one alternative now but it is a crazy mix of a camera video thingy for media web journalists supposedly and has a fixed lens so that is a loser right out of the gate.

OMG I don't hate Canon, we use to love them. We have giant bucks tied up with them. But Sony thank you Sony how will allow us to use all our glass and sell our cameras and bye bye Cannon. That is right gone.

So good luck Canon Rumors.

"Canon is crippling their cameras to protect higher end models"

This nonsense about "crippling" goes round and round on the Internet. So-called crippling is called building for a price, and every business does it, including photographers.

Photographers show amazing hypocrisy here. Whether your clients pay you $500, $1000, $2500, $5000 or $10000, do they get the exact same service/products? Of course they don't. So you are "crippling" your cheaper services/products on purpose to "protect" your more expensive services/products. You don't give away the store. But when you give less for less money, you don't call it "crippling". You call it good business.

So go to Sony and put up with their ergonomics, menus, flash, lens system, battery life, repair service (actually 3d party), etc. Of course, Sony may give you some extra feature. They absolutely should — to make up for their other deficiencies. But they don't give away the store either. They give something extra, but you'll pay with other compromises.

Not valid. There are many features to enable "just like that" without more expensive HW.

your point is invalid.

do you think that Windows features in different editions .. could not be enabled "just like that" without expensive HW?

it's very common across multiple industries to reduce featureset to go with various price targets. in alot of cases where it's simply not just machinery, this is defined by firmware or software. because it's the most cost effective way of doing it.

also do you think that Nikon could enable AEB on their lower end models .. "just like that"?

 

[ritholtz]

However this seems like a camera that is geared heavily towards video yet it lacks the very basic 4k video that even most cell phones can do these days. I don't understand the logic here. Who would buy a such an expensive video camera that can't even handle basic resolutions?

You're right, just stick with your cell phone. They take great stills, too.

More and more people are. Even some wedding photographers are switching over to cell phones now.

Exactly. So leave this dump behind and head on over to iPhoneRumors.com. When you deliver your wedding stills and 4K video shot with a smartphone to the bride and she punches you in the face then sues for damages, don't blame us.

Have a nice life!

It is macrumors.com. In case if he is seriously searching for it.

 

[lucuias]

Re: Canon EOS 80D Specifications

Comparing to sony a6300,this is a piece of garbage .sigh

Dang.

I guess I better throw my 70D away because it's not even as good as this garbage 80D is rumored to be.

Guess I better throw away the tens of thousands of images I've taken with it, too, as they must be utter garbage (after all, you can't get good images from a piece of garbage).

Oh, crap!!! This means I have to call up my clients to inform them that the photos they were just so pleased with are actually crap because they come from the garbage progenitor of a yet-to-be-released garbage camera!

Can this day get any worse???

Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!! Save me, SoNikon -- you're my only hope!!!

Sheesh...

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My work involve photography & Videography at the same time.It is 2016,I am expecting 4k video from canon.Sony & Panasonic can do it.Why not Canon?No I am not asking for DCI 4k 800mps bit rate as what 1dxII offering ,but just as the competitor offering UHD 4k 100mps bit rate since 80D is for enthusiastic.
Don't get offended,I am not saying your photos with Canon 70D is a garbage ,after all camera it is just a tools.like a brush for an artist,ofcourse there are good brush and bad brush. No doubt a good artist could make a fantastic art work with a bad brush,but with a good brush,he can just can make a better art work .At the same time,he can focus on creativity instead of fiddling with his bad brush.