Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]

[SweOz]

It’s getting very tiering that every discussion thread regarding Canon SLR cameras is turned into a discussion about video ability of the same camera, there are far better systems for videographer than DSLRs which were designed for a very different task.
I have used the 6D for 4 years now for stills, mainly people and sports photography and I’m very pleased with the IQ. Have also used the 5D Mark III for sports.
I only see two major disadvantages with the 6D, AF system is too rudimentary (centre point excellent though) and FPS is at least 2FPS too low on the 6D.
Even if only these two shortcomings were upgraded on the 6D MII I’ll order one as soon as they are available in Australia.

 

[wildwalker]

Do you want me to do a comparison between the influence of companies pushing 4k:

-Youtube / Android / Google
-Apple
-Sony
-Microsoft Xbox One X
-Samsung
-Netflix
-Amazon Prime
-Nvidia
-AMD

And traditional media like TV channels?

None of these do Live TV. In the UK Sky have some UHD services, and the bandwidth requirements are huge. No one will get UHD on terrestrial networks anytime soon due to the fact they would have to switch off all the other channels.

Yes there is a lot of UHD content, most movies are shot UHD, and that is because most cinemas now support 2k or 4k. Yes you can buy UHD TVs for the home, but you will have to either buy UHD content or tolerate the low bandwidth offerings of Netflix (unless you don't mind downloading a whole movie first).

UHD is nowhere near the 'norm' in the broadcast industry. Most channels across the globe are still MPEG2 SD. The UK is lucky, we have a lot of HD content, and some of the Asian countries also have a lot of HD content. Small areas like Japan, Singapore etc can afford to replace all of their infrastructure to get UHD to the home, larger regions like the US and Russia, this will take years.

I agree that if you can, you should capture in UHD, even if you process to HD. But, and here is the but, the 5DMk4 doesn't do UHD Properly (30fps is not a broadcast UHD standard that anyone uses) so it was I think quite normal to assume that the 6D MK2 was never going to beat that.

Any sub version of what the 5DMk2 can do was just going to be worse. I am sure you understand that the 6DMk2 is not going to trump the 5DMk4 in almost any areas.

For anyone wanting to shoot video, I guess they will have to consider an alternative way.

 

[hbr]

Haven't you been paying attention to these threads? Without 4K, dual card slots, and more AF points than there are stars in the sky, the 6DII is dead. Just plain dead.

And if it turns out not to be a Full Frame mirror less as another rumor site suggested then Canon is doomed!

 

[Mikehit]

(and let's not pretend smartphones are not related to the ILC market, most video being shot right now is being shot on a smartphone, smartphones and online distribution platforms like youtube and netflix are in fact determining the codec and distribution standards for video in 2017)

-4k video recording is the standard on every mid to high-end smartphone
-4k is the standard for all new TV
-4k is the main selling points of the latest consoles
-4k is supported by the biggest video distribution sites like youtube and netflix

1080p no longer is the standard

It is incredibly hard to justify what canon is doing leaving out 4k on brand new cameras. And not just on the 6D, the 80D doesn't have it, new 7D will probably not have it, none of the rebels have it.

You've just destroyed your own argument: most video is being shot on smartphone, and most phones have 4K. How many people will leave home with a camera but no phone? Virtually none. So they have 4K available in their phone so why do they need it in their camera?

 

[Mikehit]

In fact the biggest market for DSLR isn't even stills, it's youtubers. Canon specifically markets to vloggers / youtubers.

You have made a clear statement there - do you have any facts to support it? Or are we going to have another 'Trump' moment where you admit it was wrong 'but we know what you meant'?

 

[Berowne]

Will the 6DII replace both, 6D and 5DIII? If so, the next move will perhaps be to replace 5DS and 5DSr with a successor or to stop Marketing the 5DS because of poorer sales figures compared to the 5DSr. I think we will soon see Canon offering only 4 different FF-Cameras instead of 6.

 

[vscd]

In fact the biggest market for DSLR isn't even stills, it's youtubers. Canon specifically markets to vloggers / youtubers.

You have made a clear statement there - do you have any facts to support it? Or are we going to have another 'Trump' moment where you admit it was wrong 'but we know what you meant'?

+1

 

[rwvaughn]

No 4K would be simply unacceptable in H2 2017. This camera will not be replaced until 2021/22. That means, you would be sitting there with this thing in 2021/22 with no 4K video. WTF Canon???

No 4K = no buy.

Next stop Sony?

LOL Your new Sony will have been made obsolete about 6 times over (once every 9 months) between now and 2021. Try and sell the body to keep up with Sony's "advances"... good luck with that it's a pennies on the dollar proposition. And, heaven forbid you drop and break it for a lack of true professional support meant you had to buy a new body as Sony doesn't repair their products.

 

[9VIII]

Checked the listings of TVs at Best buy

4K - 203 models
2K - 83 models
720p - 23 models

gee whiz Batman, I wonder what resolution of TV most people are buying.......

You are overlooking the life cycle. Sure, many new buyers are probably buying 4K, although Best Buy wouldn't be carrying 23 models of 720p tvs if they weren't selling them. But how often does the average consumer replace their tv. I'm not talking about forum nerds, I'm talking about average Joe. Average Joe doesn't replace his tv until the old one breaks, so even after all 720p and 2k tvs quit being sold, they will still be a big part of the market, likely the majority for years to come.

No, I am not overlooking the life cycle. I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of televisions in homes right now are 2K..... What I said (according to the CRTC, in Canada 4K is 80 to 90 percent of sales) is that people are now buying mostly 4K models....

well canada is a pretty small market .. worldwide:

4K is still not anywhere close to the shipment totals of the other formats

not to mention all the other non 4k tv's that were already purchased and still being purchased.

Emerging markets are probably still demanding HDTV's, those markets are getting pretty big, western nations will have a much higher percentage of 4K saturation.

 

[NaviUy]

No 4K would be simply unacceptable in H2 2017. This camera will not be replaced until 2021/22. That means, you would be sitting there with this thing in 2021/22 with no 4K video. WTF Canon???

No 4K = no buy.

Next stop Sony?

LOL Your new Sony will have been made obsolete about 6 times over (once every 9 months) between now and 2021. Try and sell the body to keep up with Sony's "advances"... good luck with that it's a pennies on the dollar proposition. And, heaven forbid you drop and break it for a lack of true professional support meant you had to buy a new body as Sony doesn't repair their products.

TBH thats kind of better than not having any innovation. I mean... I definitely don't want to wait another 5 years for 4k.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Do you want me to do a comparison between the influence of companies pushing 4k:

-Youtube / Android / Google
-Apple
-Sony
-Microsoft Xbox One X
-Samsung
-Netflix
-Amazon Prime
-Nvidia
-AMD

And traditional media like TV channels?

There was a time when I could have made an equal list of companies "pushing" 3d. Many of the companies would be the same, interestingly. For all of their "influence" no one cared. For all of the units shipped (my current TV and previous TV had 3d) most consumers did not care, did not buy glasses, did not buy 3DBRs, and home 3d is almost gone. Unlike 3d, I do believe 4k will just become the default for TVs being built as old fabs are turned off, but a huge number of them will never display 1080p, let alone 4k.

"The next big thing" is sometimes hype. Most people on the street don't find BR worth it over DVD, which boggles my mind as much as an audiophile being shocked that people are fine with MP3, but there it is. My next TV will be 4k, but the amount of content I'll be interested in for it is... I'm not replacing my original XB1 with a 4k model. I can't remember if Netflix will stream 4k to HTPCs or if it's restricted to "devices" like HDR. I'm not remotely interested in the "content" on YouTube. Football is not broadcast in 4k... or 1080p...

Speaking of, you might love to cavalierly dismiss broadcast TV as obsolete, but the "influencers" you spoke of would kill for a market like the NFL's. When one of your "influencers" has the rights to stream 4k NFL games to my house, there will be a compelling case for 4k being "standard".

 

[wildwalker]

In fact the biggest market for DSLR isn't even stills, it's youtubers. Canon specifically markets to vloggers / youtubers.

You have made a clear statement there - do you have any facts to support it? Or are we going to have another 'Trump' moment where you admit it was wrong 'but we know what you meant'?

I spend a LOT of time on youtube. And while some users definately use DSLRs, I would say the majority are using a bridge style camera, or a fixed lens camera for their work. They are cheap, have lots of functionality and produce good enough video.

I don't have figures on the split between people using DSLRs for video and people using DSLRs for stills, but, I would bet my shirt on Canons biggest market NOT being youtubers.

Professional photographers, when you lump in News gathering, fashion, events, sport, wedding/portrait is a large sector, even in countries where social media such as youtube is still in it's infancy. Then throw in all the amateurs and you have way more stills photographers than youtubers.

Will this change? if youtubers get a product that does hi quality video (without stills even) at a good price, they won't care about DSLR market products. Canon might supply a few high profile youtubers with kit, the same as Sony do for monitors, nVidia do for graphics etc, but this will be a relatively small number.

 

[wildwalker]

Do you want me to do a comparison between the influence of companies pushing 4k:

-Youtube / Android / Google
-Apple
-Sony
-Microsoft Xbox One X
-Samsung
-Netflix
-Amazon Prime
-Nvidia
-AMD

And traditional media like TV channels?

There was a time when I could have made an equal list of companies "pushing" 3d. Many of the companies would be the same, interestingly. For all of their "influence" no one cared. For all of the units shipped (my current TV and previous TV had 3d) most consumers did not care, did not buy glasses, did not buy 3DBRs, and home 3d is almost gone. Unlike 3d, I do believe 4k will just become the default for TVs being built as old fabs are turned off, but a huge number of them will never display 1080p, let alone 4k.

"The next big thing" is sometimes hype. Most people on the street don't find BR worth it over DVD, which boggles my mind as much as an audiophile being shocked that people are fine with MP3, but there it is. My next TV will be 4k, but the amount of content I'll be interested in for it is... I'm not replacing my original XB1 with a 4k model. I can't remember if Netflix will stream 4k to HTPCs or if it's restricted to "devices" like HDR. I'm not remotely interested in the "content" on YouTube. Football is not broadcast in 4k... or 1080p...

Speaking of, you might love to cavalierly dismiss broadcast TV as obsolete, but the "influencers" you spoke of would kill for a market like the NFL's. When one of your "influencers" has the rights to stream 4k NFL games to my house, there will be a compelling case for 4k being "standard".

UHD is primarily for cinema. However large screen devices that offer high resolution are great for pubs, clubs, sportsbars etc. For anyone replacing a TV, they may well buy a UHD screen to future proof themselves, but that does not mean they will consume or purchase any UHD content.

The Broadcast industry in the UK is providing UHD for some services, but its a real bandwidth hog, especially for bandwidth limited transport systems such as DTT (terrestrial). The current thinking is that HDR might swoop in and (for sometime at least) steal the limelight from UHD. HDR(with WCG) looks good, its easy to differentiate from standard HD, and it has almost no extra overhead in terms of bandwidth. HDR is applicable to both HD and UHD as the colourspace can be applied to either standard.

BUT UHD is not the standard, nor is 1080P either, for broadcast Satellite, Cable or Terrestrial systems it is 1080i.

If you have OTT services then yes you can get 1080p.

2K is not a thing in europe and nor is 480p, our SD services are 576i.

 

[indiehorse]

If I were a videographer seriously considering buying a 6D mk ii, I think I'd like a headphone jack and some kind of audio monitoring. I'd probably have a bunch of other concerns and requirements, but I'm not a videographer, so I don't know what they are.

I think it's telling that the 4k brigade seem only concerned about 4k. Seems like the equivalent of a stills photographer who's only concerned about megapixel count.

(Hi, I'm new here)

 

[Proscribo]

If I were a videographer seriously considering buying a 6D mk ii, I think I'd like a headphone jack and some kind of audio monitoring. I'd probably have a bunch of other concerns and requirements, but I'm not a videographer, so I don't know what they are.

I think it's telling that the 4k brigade seem only concerned about 4k. Seems like the equivalent of a stills photographer who's only concerned about megapixel count.

(Hi, I'm new here)

Indeed. It's very obvious when people argue that "this and that camera should have 4K because my iphone has 4k!". Well, uh, to put it bluntly that iphone makes crappy "4K" video, not even going into the sound department, yet all they care is the label on the device that says 4K...

 

[Loswr]

(Hi, I'm new here)

Welcome!

 

[Mikehit]

If I were a videographer seriously considering buying a 6D mk ii, I think I'd like a headphone jack and some kind of audio monitoring. I'd probably have a bunch of other concerns and requirements, but I'm not a videographer, so I don't know what they are.

I think it's telling that the 4k brigade seem only concerned about 4k. Seems like the equivalent of a stills photographer who's only concerned about megapixel count.

(Hi, I'm new here)

Indeed, welcome.

I can tell you are new: you are applying logic in a forum and admitting you don't know something.

 

[LonelyBoy]

If I were a videographer seriously considering buying a 6D mk ii, I think I'd like a headphone jack and some kind of audio monitoring. I'd probably have a bunch of other concerns and requirements, but I'm not a videographer, so I don't know what they are.

I think it's telling that the 4k brigade seem only concerned about 4k. Seems like the equivalent of a stills photographer who's only concerned about megapixel count.

(Hi, I'm new here)

Heckuva solid first post! 8)

 

[jeffa4444]

Will the 6DII replace both, 6D and 5DIII? If so, the next move will perhaps be to replace 5DS and 5DSr with a successor or to stop Marketing the 5DS because of poorer sales figures compared to the 5DSr. I think we will soon see Canon offering only 4 different FF-Cameras instead of 6.

As a 5DS owner I deliberately chose it over the 5DSr because I believe any camera that shoots video should have an OPLF. Why you ask? Because unlike stills moire looks worse when your panning a camera and this shows up such as in dark materials punctuated with lighter colours. We rent high end movie cameras such as the Red Weapon & Arri Alexa and regardless they all have OPLF filters added yet the sharpness is not questioned and Ive found exactly the same with the 5DS (which Ive tested using the CIPA high resolution chart we have).
Frankly I doubt a single person could reliably and repeatedly tell the difference in sharpness putting all the other factors into consideration such as lighting, shutter speed, ISO etc.

 

[Luds34]

If I were a videographer seriously considering buying a 6D mk ii, I think I'd like a headphone jack and some kind of audio monitoring. I'd probably have a bunch of other concerns and requirements, but I'm not a videographer, so I don't know what they are.

I think it's telling that the 4k brigade seem only concerned about 4k. Seems like the equivalent of a stills photographer who's only concerned about megapixel count.

(Hi, I'm new here)

Indeed, welcome.

I can tell you are new: you are applying logic in a forum and admitting you don't know something.

Touché!

Thanks for the laugh this morning.