Updated Canon EOS 6D Mark II Specifications [CR2]

[Nininini]

a lack of 4K video means no one will buy the 6DII. Somehow, I expect Canon will manage to sell a few of them. :

No one said the 6D II won't sell. There are clearly people only interested in taking pictures not video, several people in this thread have made that clear.

But, a large and growing userbase is using video. And having 4k in a $2000 body should be expected.

For reference, smartphones have had 4k for over 4 years now. The first smartphones being able to record 4k were the Samsung Note 3 and Acer Liquid S2 from 2013.

4k is no longer new tech, it is now accepted as the standard.

And this idea that it's different for full frame sensors is a bunch of baloney, since Canon does line skipping and cropping instead of downsampling.

 

[rrcphoto]

1080p is a JOKE

This isn't how you separate lines in 2017

iPhones have had 4k for a few iterations....

Use your iphone and get wonderful 4K. My iphone 6+ does not have 4K, so how many iterations is a few? Maybe you are counting iphone 7, 8 and 9?

Actually, he's quite right. 1080p-only is a joke in $2K plus camera body when you can get it in an iPhone. These things should be included for the money.

P.S. The iPhone 6S and 7 both have 4K, so Hellish is correct about that.

I must have missed the part where the iPhone is made by canon or has a full frame sensor.

It's made by people who specialize in delivering usable features people want.

4K on a tiny sensor and a 46MBit/sec bitrate and mono sound is what people want.

Got it.

then use it and why are you here?

He's here complaining because he doesn't understand anything much.

As always, I'm on here fighting the losing battle to open your minds. Unfortunately, the conservative CanonFanboy mindset cannot at this time comprehend the future of video and stills hybrid shooting.

I will care if there has a hybrid viewfinder - or it's full frame with an EVF / mirrorless.

Otherwise I could give a rats ass to it.

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

 

[Etienne]

So the forum experts have declared the 6DII Dead on Arrival because it might not have 4K video.

The same 'experts' have declared each new Canon camera DoA before they were each announced.

Yes. I remember all the wailing when the 6D was introduced. Didn't stop it from becoming Amazon's best selling full frame camera though, did it?

Well, there you go. Living on past laurels. Didn't that work out well for Blackberry, who dominated the world cell phone market and is now all but extinct; and Nortel, who shared the world network switching market with Cisco, but is now bankrupt.

Your competitors don't sleep. They want to eat your lunch.

Show us your evidence that Canon is 'sleeping'. Note that not providing a feature that you think they should doesn't constitute 'evidence'. Canon sells more ILCs than anyone else. That's not past, that's current.

In 2016, Canon was granted the third most US patents of any company (3,665 of them)...that's more than Intel, Microsoft, Apple, or Google. That's planning for the future.

But hey, you think the 6DII should have 4K. If it doesn't, Canon is doomed. Yeah, your logic is impeccable. I bet you won a lot of debate club competitions. :

Derail the conversation all you want, but 4K is like power steering in cars, it's expected and it's useful. Maybe stills is all you need, but more creative people want to expand and branch out, and you certainly seem to resent anyone who expects more. The future dream is 8K, 4K is not extraordinary, except of course to hard-nosed photo-only purists.

 

[Loswr]

And having 4k in a $2000 body should be expected.

By whom? Let me guess, you're speaking for everyone again. Obviously, you are better at market research than Canon. You just continue to prove how special you really are!

 

[rrcphoto]

a lack of 4K video means no one will buy the 6DII. Somehow, I expect Canon will manage to sell a few of them. :

No one said the 6D II won't sell. There are clearly people only interested in taking pictures not video, several people in this thread have made that clear.

But, a large and growing userbase is using video. And having 4k in a $2000 body should be expected.

actually looking right now, there is no $2000 or less full frame camera with 4K.

so I'm curious on your SHOULD be expected, because no one else is doing it either. no guarantees the A7 will shoot 4k and if it does, no guarantees it's $2000 or less either.

 

[Nininini]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

Shooting video on a dslr is just as easy as on a smartphone. All I touch on my DSLR during video is exposure comp / white balance (Q button) and turning off and non servo AF. All you need to do is click the screen to pull focus.

There is one exception where shooting video on DSLR doesn't work well, and that is in extremely bright sunlight. It is hard to see the screen and an EVF doesn't have this problem.

I actually anticipate that e ink will be incorporated into cameras one day.

The newest smartphones have an E-ink screen on the back which uses little to no power and is perfectly readable in sunlight, there is no reason why this can't eventually be done on a camera's flippy screen. One side with a normal screen, the back side with E-ink for bright condition. Smartphones are already doing this.

 

[rrcphoto]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

Shooting video on a dslr is just as easy as on a smartphone. All I touch on my DSLR during video is exposure comp / white balance (Q button) and turning off and non servo AF. All you need to do is click the screen to pull focus.

really? i didn't realize you had a smartphone that weighed around 2-5lbs and was front heavy under most circumstances. that must be a total bitch on your pocket.

Also with your smartphone, you have no choice. you don't have a viewfinder. with ILC"s you do have a choice. you can be smart if you need a hybrid and get an EVF based solution, or you can be less wise and yell at a wall for an OVF based DSLR to mungle through video.

e-ink screens for color totally suck pond water. it's not even a realistic solution, not to mention horrid refresh rates.

and there's not a whole slew of smartphone that have a back screen for e-ink anyways, nice try.

 

[Reloaderx]

I don't think I'll use 4k video either, but it really should be a feature of a camera at this price level in this day and age. BUT, no 4k is just a rumor right now so everyone just needs to relax.

What I would hope:

4k 30fps with a high crop - satisfies the forum warriors and keyboard spec commandos, but doesn't threaten their upper models (this is THE reason why we won't get good 4k. Canon does not have a technical problem with this)

Better image quality, whether it is sharpness, color depth, or high ISO quality then the 5DmkIV. Believe it or not, this is not unrealistic.

Single card slot, no weather sealing, no RAW or cLOG video. While we'd want all these features, Canon has to make the 6DmkII inferior to the 5DmkIV somehow. Pros tend to pixel peep less than consumers, but value more functional stuff like dual card slots and weather sealing. With that distinction drawn, it becomes possible for Canon to loosen up the reins on other features.

 

[Don Haines]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

I have one word for you.... iPad

 

[rrcphoto]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

I have one word for you.... iPad

LOL. to be honest I'd rather hold an ipad out in front looking at the screen versus a 2-5lb DSLR kit shooting video.

screen's bigger and easier to see as well.

 

[Bernard]

I've said it before, and I'll probably need to say it again.

Low bitrate 4K recorded onto an SD card is useless.
Sure, lots of phones and cameras offer it, but it looks terrible. Why bother?

 

[Nininini]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

Shooting video on a dslr is just as easy as on a smartphone. All I touch on my DSLR during video is exposure comp / white balance (Q button) and turning off and non servo AF. All you need to do is click the screen to pull focus.

really? i didn't realize you had a smartphone that weighed around 2-5lbs and was front heavy under most circumstances. that must be a total bitch on your pocket.

Also with your smartphone, you have no choice. you don't have a viewfinder. with ILC"s you do have a choice. you can be smart if you need a hybrid and get an EVF based solution, or you can be less wise and yell at a wall for an OVF based DSLR to mungle through video.

e-ink screens for color totally suck pond water. it's not even a realistic solution, not to mention horrid refresh rates.

and there's not a whole slew of smartphone that have a back screen for e-ink anyways, nice try.

I have a camera with EVF and my DSLR which has a mirror.

I actually don't like shooting video through the EVF, because you can't see what happens around you when you stare through the EVF. If you know exactly what you're shooting beforehand, an EVF works, but if you are shooting unscripted video, you lack any spacial awareness with an EVF, you have no idea what happens around you and that's not good.

It is handy during bright sun, of course it is, seeing something is better than nothing.

But screens are continuously improving, due to the prevalence of smartphones. E ink is iimproving. Eventually we'll get screens that are perfectly readable in bright sunny conditions,and it will make this whole EVF vs Mirror debate pointless.

 

[Loswr]

So the forum experts have declared the 6DII Dead on Arrival because it might not have 4K video.

The same 'experts' have declared each new Canon camera DoA before they were each announced.

Yes. I remember all the wailing when the 6D was introduced. Didn't stop it from becoming Amazon's best selling full frame camera though, did it?

Well, there you go. Living on past laurels. Didn't that work out well for Blackberry, who dominated the world cell phone market and is now all but extinct; and Nortel, who shared the world network switching market with Cisco, but is now bankrupt.

Your competitors don't sleep. They want to eat your lunch.

Show us your evidence that Canon is 'sleeping'. Note that not providing a feature that you think they should doesn't constitute 'evidence'. Canon sells more ILCs than anyone else. That's not past, that's current.

In 2016, Canon was granted the third most US patents of any company (3,665 of them)...that's more than Intel, Microsoft, Apple, or Google. That's planning for the future.

But hey, you think the 6DII should have 4K. If it doesn't, Canon is doomed. Yeah, your logic is impeccable. I bet you won a lot of debate club competitions. :

Derail the conversation all you want, but 4K is like power steering in cars, it's expected and it's useful. Maybe stills is all you need, but more creative people want to expand and branch out, and you certainly seem to resent anyone who expects more. The future dream is 8K, 4K is not extraordinary, except of course to hard-nosed photo-only purists.

You make a statement with a clear implication, I ask for evidence to support that implication, and I'm the one the derailing the conversation? If you expect 4K and the 6DII doesn't have it, don't buy one. But if you're going to draw an analogy between lack of 4K on some dSLR models and corporate failure and bankruptcy for Canon, but not back up that assertion with evidence, you're just spewing crap out of an orifice not biologically intended for that purpose.

Not that that's unusual around here.

 

[rrcphoto]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

Shooting video on a dslr is just as easy as on a smartphone. All I touch on my DSLR during video is exposure comp / white balance (Q button) and turning off and non servo AF. All you need to do is click the screen to pull focus.

really? i didn't realize you had a smartphone that weighed around 2-5lbs and was front heavy under most circumstances. that must be a total bitch on your pocket.

Also with your smartphone, you have no choice. you don't have a viewfinder. with ILC"s you do have a choice. you can be smart if you need a hybrid and get an EVF based solution, or you can be less wise and yell at a wall for an OVF based DSLR to mungle through video.

e-ink screens for color totally suck pond water. it's not even a realistic solution, not to mention horrid refresh rates.

and there's not a whole slew of smartphone that have a back screen for e-ink anyways, nice try.

I have a camera with EVF and my DSLR which has a mirror.

I actually don't like shooting video through the EVF, because you can't see what happens around you when you stare through the EVF. If you know exactly what you're shooting beforehand, an EVF works, but if you are shooting unscripted video, you lack any spacial awareness with an EVF, you have no idea what happens around you and that's not good.

It is handy during bright sun, of course it is, seeing something is better than nothing.

But screens are continuously improving, due to the prevalence of smartphones. E ink is iimproving. Eventually we'll get screens that are perfectly readable in bright sunny conditions,and it will make this whole EVF vs Mirror debate pointless.

e-ink hasn't improved in ages. it's the same techology has it's always been. it's simply getting a higher dot pitch. it still has to erase the entire screen on a change.

.. seriously.. nice try really.

 

[Nininini]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

I have one word for you.... iPad

LOL. to be honest I'd rather hold an ipad out in front looking at the screen versus a 2-5lb DSLR kit shooting video.

screen's bigger and easier to see as well.

Really, you'd prefer an iPad over a DSLR with a flippy screen and manual focus? I understand the argument that some say an EVF is better for video than a mirror (I think EVF lack spacial awareness, but ok).

But come on...pick up any light crop DSLR with a flippy screen and you will have much more fun doing video than an iPad.

 

[Nininini]

e-ink hasn't improved in ages. it's the same techology has it's always been. it's simply getting a higher dot pitch. it still has to erase the entire screen on a change.

.. seriously.. nice try really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2V9iuTW3sA

 

[wildwalker]

I've said it before, and I'll probably need to say it again.

Low bitrate 4K recorded onto an SD card is useless.
Sure, lots of phones and cameras offer it, but it looks terrible. Why bother?

Modern SD Cards can do write speeds over 100Mbs. For modern codecs (h265(hevc)) this is a great bit rate for UHD. Broadcasters are looking at contribution HEVC bit rates of 70-80 Mb/s, and DTH of 25-30. So if you can do 80Mb/s HEVC UHD then that is good enough for broadcasters, so it should be good enough for us.

Canon's MJPEG is a light compression, so requires much higher bit rates. Probably 180Mb/s is what a broadcaster would be looking at.

 

[Yasko]

because a DSLR simply has to be the most awkward form factors possible for any sort of real world video shooting.

I have one word for you.... iPad

LOL. to be honest I'd rather hold an ipad out in front looking at the screen versus a 2-5lb DSLR kit shooting video.

screen's bigger and easier to see as well.

So the PCs from the 60s are still the "same" principal technology as of today, only the transistors have become "a bit" smaller

 

[EduPortas]

This a premium camera. It should have 4k.

Otherwise, I don't see any reason to move from an original 6D to this second model.

We'll see. Hope the rumors are wrong in this case.

"I don't see any reason..." -- You are kidding I assume! Or may I assume you have not used a 6D?
I love the image quality of my 6D and I am 95+% stills -- I have better video solutions.
The REAL reason to upgrade is the focus system. 11 points versus 45 points is HUGE for stills photographers. If they make it easier to select the points (my 70D was far better than the 6D in this regard) I'll order on day One.

I did in fact own a 6D for about a year. Produced paid work with it. Even today, I consider

it a very good camera. Those eleven AF point were enough because I never intended to use it for sports.

And no one can deny that it has superb low light capabilities and ergonomics.

I don't consider a better AF system a reason to upgrade on this particular camera.

Now if it were to have an upgraded AF module, DPAF, and 4K it would be a no brainer. But Canon, apparently, force

you to choose the more expensive 5D model to get them all in one package.

As another person said before it's "pay to play" in Canonland.

 

[Nininini]

30 fps color video e ink

This is imo, the future. These screens use a fraction of the power consumption of regular screens, they don't flicker, they are perfectly readable in sunlight.

It's not perfect yet, but it's getting better daily.

Imagine live view on a DSLR being perfectly readable in bright sunlight. And battery life being exponentially higher. At night it can turn on a backlight. Imagine a double sided flippy screen.

Think about how stupid the current tech we use is today, even though there is light all around us, we use tons of battery life to power LCD's backlight. I am super excited about e ink that just uses the light available, just like colored paper does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aEYT79-vuo