I want to know if it will keep the interchangeable screens so I can get a matte screen for use with my manual focus fast primes.
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Emerging markets are buying more 4K high end TV cameras than Western countries. In China they ONLY want 4K, in India 4K is huge. The mistake people make is equating 4K origination with 4K transmission. Over-sampling gives a better HDTV signal than a pure HDTV originated signal which means transmission pipe losses are less and therefor the HDTV signal is better preserved with more detail.9VIII said:rrcphoto said:Don Haines said:unfocused said:Don Haines said:Checked the listings of TVs at Best buy
4K - 203 models
2K - 83 models
720p - 23 models
gee whiz Batman, I wonder what resolution of TV most people are buying.......
You are overlooking the life cycle. Sure, many new buyers are probably buying 4K, although Best Buy wouldn't be carrying 23 models of 720p tvs if they weren't selling them. But how often does the average consumer replace their tv. I'm not talking about forum nerds, I'm talking about average Joe. Average Joe doesn't replace his tv until the old one breaks, so even after all 720p and 2k tvs quit being sold, they will still be a big part of the market, likely the majority for years to come.
No, I am not overlooking the life cycle. I have absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of televisions in homes right now are 2K..... What I said (according to the CRTC, in Canada 4K is 80 to 90 percent of sales) is that people are now buying mostly 4K models....
well canada is a pretty small market .. worldwide:
4K is still not anywhere close to the shipment totals of the other formats
not to mention all the other non 4k tv's that were already purchased and still being purchased.
Emerging markets are probably still demanding HDTV's, those markets are getting pretty big, western nations will have a much higher percentage of 4K saturation.
+1Mikehit said:most video is being shot on smartphone, and most phones have 4K. How many people will leave home with a camera but no phone? Virtually none. So they have 4K available in their phone so why do they need it in their camera?
CanonFanBoy said:EduPortas said:CanonFanBoy said:EduPortas said:hmatthes said:EduPortas said:This a premium camera. It should have 4k.
Otherwise, I don't see any reason to move from an original 6D to this second model.
We'll see. Hope the rumors are wrong in this case.
"I don't see any reason..." -- You are kidding I assume! Or may I assume you have not used a 6D?
I love the image quality of my 6D and I am 95+% stills -- I have better video solutions.
The REAL reason to upgrade is the focus system. 11 points versus 45 points is HUGE for stills photographers. If they make it easier to select the points (my 70D was far better than the 6D in this regard) I'll order on day One.
I did in fact own a 6D for about a year. Produced paid work with it. Even today, I consider
it a very good camera. Those eleven AF point were enough because I never intended to use it for sports.
And no one can deny that it has superb low light capabilities and ergonomics.
I don't consider a better AF system a reason to upgrade on this particular camera.
Now if it were to have an upgraded AF module, DPAF, and 4K it would be a no brainer. But Canon, apparently, force
you to choose the more expensive 5D model to get them all in one package.
As another person said before it's "pay to play" in Canonland.
Um... it is "pay to play" everywhere. Always has been. Always will be. Canon doesn't force anyone to do anything.
You are correct. And that's why thousands of buyers are fragmenting to other brands.
Because the other brands don't have the "pay to play" business model. :
Besides, Canon eats their lunch every single day. Like I said: It is "pay to play" everywhere... including over at Sony, Nikon, Fuji, etc... None of these threatens Canon's market share. None.
So, when are you going to jump ship? Answer: Never.
+1YuengLinger said:The day will come when I eat my bitter words, but 14 years of using CF and SD cards in Asia and the USA, all kinds of weather, I've never had one fail. When I do have an occasional important and/or paid session, I use a backup card to CMA, but most of the time I don't like dealing with two of them. I guess I could always leave an SD card in and format it each time I put the CF back in.
(I did have a thumb-drive get corrupted once, but was able to recover with the SanDisk tool. About 10 years ago.)
Nininini said:lgn55063 said:When I want videos, I use a Canon portable video camera.
Can someone please explain why 4k is so important in a "stills" camera?
I had to actually look up what a "Canon portable video camera" means.
Last time I saw a camcorder out in the wild was probably 10 years ago.
I hope that answers your question.
A++Luds34 said:Nininini said:-4k video recording is the standard on every mid to high-end smartphone
-4k is the standard for all new TV
-4k is the main selling points of the latest consoles
-4k is supported by the biggest video distribution sites like youtube and netflix
1080p no longer is the standard
Easy there on the "standard". I know you hip, cool, kids really like the interwebs and all, but last I checked "the standard", broadcast television isn't there yet.
Please don't confuse the "latest greatest tech" with "the current standard". The compact disk was invented in the 70's. It became the standard more then 25 years later.
You want 4k, great, but stop calling it the standard. It is clearly not "the standard" anywhere. It's become nauseating. A thread on the 6D2 has turned into how we all can't live without 4k content in our lives. I truly question how many of you "can't live without 4k" folks actually ever leave the house and shoot (stills or video). Or gasp, what did you do a few years ago, pre 4k days... did you just choose not to create any content at all?
CanonFanBoy said:Nininini said:tr573 said:To be fair, you said everyone with a phone is "shooting" 4k, not "has access to" 4k.
Ok fine, you knew what I meant, the point is that 4k is omnipresent on smartphones and is the new video standard.
(and let's not pretend smartphones are not related to the ILC market, most video being shot right now is being shot on a smartphone, smartphones and online distribution platforms like youtube and netflix are in fact determining the codec and distribution standards for video in 2017)
-4k video recording is the standard on every mid to high-end smartphone
-4k is the standard for all new TV
-4k is the main selling points of the latest consoles
-4k is supported by the biggest video distribution sites like youtube and netflix
1080p no longer is the standard
It is incredibly hard to justify what canon is doing leaving out 4k on brand new cameras. And not just on the 6D, the 80D doesn't have it, new 7D will probably not have it, none of the rebels have it.
It's especially annoying for people because these cameras are expensive, and aren't refreshed yearly like smartphones.
If you're still stuck with that 6D Mark II in 2020, where everyone and their mom is shooting in 4k, you're going to look back on your camera and really be disappointed if you need to shoot any video. You'll also have a really hard time if you ever need to resell your camera.
If canon was using the full sensor for video canon might have an excuse, but they are cropping and line skipping, there is no excuse for leaving out 4k.
Here's what you want. Now shut up. https://www.adorama.com/ptonebs40.html
indiehorse said:If I were a videographer seriously considering buying a 6D mk ii, I think I'd like a headphone jack and some kind of audio monitoring. I'd probably have a bunch of other concerns and requirements, but I'm not a videographer, so I don't know what they are.
I think it's telling that the 4k brigade seem only concerned about 4k. Seems like the equivalent of a stills photographer who's only concerned about megapixel count.
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YuengLinger said:And think of all the photojournalists and wedding and fashion photographers over the years who survived and thrived with a single roll of film in their cameras. No backup slot!
Never had a CF/SD card fail, but I do remember torn sprocket holes, film covers popping open, worrying about X-rays...
If Canon only served those photographers with "vision," they'd be out of business fast.
FramerMCB said:indiehorse said:If I were a videographer seriously considering buying a 6D mk ii, I think I'd like a headphone jack and some kind of audio monitoring. I'd probably have a bunch of other concerns and requirements, but I'm not a videographer, so I don't know what they are.
I think it's telling that the 4k brigade seem only concerned about 4k. Seems like the equivalent of a stills photographer who's only concerned about megapixel count.
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Welcome to Canon Rumors (and the Forum)!!! I hope you have "thick skin". And a good sense of amusement and keen wit. You will need it here.
I will never understand people who will complain about a product before it's even available, and one which, no one is forcing them to buy. And go on and on and on with their drumbeat and defend their position to the nth degree.
I do completely understand wanting a product that fits one's particular desires/needs. However wanting a new camera model to have 4k because you think it should, because you think that's whats hip (you feel REQUIRED) today, because the "marketplace demands this", to my mind, just shows a selfish arrogance combined with an entitlement attitude. (This is in reference to those making blanket statements about tech, adopted tech, the marketplace, etc. With no facts. These are considered specious arguments.)
There's no point debating whether it should have 4k or not. It will have whatever specs Canon gave it. Comment on it, be chagrined by it, or not. Then move on. Buy something else. And for those of us who could care less about 4k. No need to bash other's desire for it. But this endless back and forth betwixt ya'll while entertaining at first has become tedious and overly boorish.
Let's extend some grace to one another and recognize (as other's have mentioned/alluded-to) that many have different needs for a camera. At heart, Canon makes DSLR's for photographers (not videographers). They make Cinema cameras of various stripes for videographers (not photographers). A true 'video' person making documentaries what-have-you, will typically rather use a Cinema lens for their video rig. However as these are not cheap, might make due with L glass instead, or STM, or third-party manual offerings, depending on need and budget. If you are a stills photographer who likes or appreciates the ability to shoot video with the same device. Then having video in camera is a bonus.
If you want 'everything' in your camera get a Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Nikon, or Olympus - but understand and know each of these brands will have limitations and constraints of one kind or another too. Each to their own. But I don't understand this mindset of constant bickering. It has infected society at large. Everyone is divided over so many things. Crazy. We all bleed red last I checked.