Here are the Canon EOS R7 and Canon EOS R10

AlanF

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Don't forget that the R7 has a buffer that is too small to store a meaningful amount of images according to those brilliant thinkers you mentioned. So you'll only be shooting 15 fps for tiny fraction of the time, before the buffer fills and speed drops to a crawl. So you can wear out your shutter at a more leisurely pace over much more than just 3.75 hours.
I had edited my post as you were writing this. Sorry!
 

neuroanatomist

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So after reading a bit more about these cameras I not so sure where to place the R10.

The R7 seems pretty straightforward and actually well priced for what it offers. Even if some hoped for a more pro body I think it is a nice balance of features (as lote82 pointed out).

But the R10? IMO too expensive to replace the rebels, but also not a sports or wildlife camera (buffer, weather sealing, battery etc.). There is the RP for the same price which IMO makes more sense, even if its missing some of the new features like 4k video, better AF etc. Nikon Z5 is also not far of price wise. So who is this camera for? What are the competitors? Where does this leave EF-M? It is not so clear for me right now.
At launch, the RP with the non -L kit lens was $1700. The R10 with 18-45 kit lens is $1100.

Given the apparent downmarketing on badge/numbering but increasing prices of the lines (90D + $300 = R7), the R10 looks like a step towards the eventual R100 or R1000 that will eventually become price-competitive with entry-level DSLRs (which still comprise nearly half of the cameras that Canon sells).
 
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I say it's going to be a big success... well, as big a success can be in these new dark ages of photography. It'll kill almost every Rebel except the T7, which still sees some sales in emergent markets. EF-M is dead as well, except for the M50II, which will probably continue to be sold until ~2024, at which point either the R10 will be discounted, or another, lower-end body will be introduced. The combination of class-leading AF and burst rate, FAS, unlimited 4K, and access to both RF and EF lenses will make it popular. You're probably only thinking of stills, but stills-focused cameras just don't sell that much today. As a hybrid, however, it has a lot of value packed in there.

At launch, the RP with the non -L kit lens was $1700. The R10 with 18-45 kit lens is $1100.

Given the apparent downmarketing on badge/numbering but increasing prices of the lines (90D + $300 = R7), the R10 looks like a step towards the eventual R100 or R1000 that will eventually become price-competitive with entry-level DSLRs (which still comprise nearly half of the cameras that Canon sells).
There are a lot of good reasons here, cheers. If it had IBIS i would preorder now.

Without I need to see if I can convince my wife that the R7 is worth it :D
 
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There have been a host of brilliantly thought out reasons by the deepest thinkers here why the R7 is pure garbage. But, they have all missed the fundamental flaw. The lifetime of the mechanical shutter is 200,000 actuations. At 15 fps, that is only 3h 42min of actual shooting. So, for a days birding, I will wear out one in the morning and need a new one in the afternoon. Perhaps, they have reduced the burst size so it will last longer?
I just sold my 7DII on MPB, I had no idea what the shutter count was. They did check it : 440,000 was the count. I was quite impressed, it worked perfectly until the day I sold it and physically looked in good condition. Nor sure the R7 will be as robust.
 
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I would not hold my breath
Although I wouldn't bet on it, I'm fairly optimistic. For the R10 to be limit free, while the rest of their R line-up isn't consistent is a bit odd. I would imagine they want maybe half a year of the R5C maintaining that advantage over the R5 and R6, so that anyone who made the switch doesn't feel too irked, and then they'll eventually update the firmware
 
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AlanF

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I just sold my 7DII on MPB, I had no idea what the shutter count was. They did check it : 440,000 was the count. I was quite impressed, it worked perfectly until the day I sold it and physically looked in good condition. Nor sure the R7 will be as robust.
The electronic shutter of the R7 will basically never wear out mechanically. By coincidence, I just sold all my M kit to MPB. Are you in the UK as well?
 

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Ouch. Not that I have any interest in buying any M-camera, but if I did the M6 II would be the one ... oh wait ... there is no M6 II anymore!
There are still plenty of M6 II in stock.
 
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The RF-S18-150mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM seems to have the exactly same optical construction as the EF-M version. The MTF seems copy paste.

And while the latter is a nice lens for the M-system, this is not the kind of zoom one would pair with a typical 7D/D500 replacement, so that might tell where Canon sees the market for the R7

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The 18-45? that's just a hot mess. Nice and small and maybe it's just the same as the 15-45 but they stopped at 18 because QA is just so difficult from 15 to 18? but a 29mm to 75mm certainly isn't a nice range I want in the year 2022, not when it's competition is at 24mm. The 15-45mm once you got a good one on the EF-M was a really nice lens. Seeing that range now limited to a cerca 1990 zoom range? ick.

The 18-150 on the EF-M I loved. So I'm really interested in how this lens does. The magnification sounds fantastic. it's literally a "do-all" travel lens. if it's good - it's the lens that will sell an RF APS-C camera for me. But until there's an RF-S 11-22mm I'm certainly not moving from EOS-M

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The 18-45 seems to be a limited EF-M 15-45mm. No Idea why canon starts which such a limited Lense. The 15mm are real usefull at EOS M. If there are Image quality problems with this lense, they should the job right an build a new one. Instead of 18-45mm, Nikon offers a 16-50mm, and this lense ist even smaller!

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Absolutely. IF current Rebel/xxxD users move to an R10 (a big if), DSLRs will be phased out. This may be the beginning of that process, but the price of the R10 guarantees it won’t close down DSLRs or the M series.

Those who claim the M line is dead are ignoring reality. Sadly, that’s a common failing these days.
Concur. I will NOT, with a cap N be selling my M50 or EF-M lenses. Moreover, I will prob add an M6ii to my M series collection. Even if they do scrub the M series line, I will not be upset, as there will be thousands of them out there in the re-sale market for yrs to come....meanwhile, I look fwd to receiving my R7 body from B&H. Once rec'd, if I don't like it(doubtful), I'm sure I would have no trouble selling it. I'm just pleasantly surprised at the low price on the R7 body.
 
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Michael Clark

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Another rumor website has quoted dimensions. They seem reasonable except that the depth (front-rear) of both cameras seems about 10mm too large.

I wonder if the R10 will be the basis for an M10 or the M-system is truly dying.

The depth probably includes the extension of the EVF on the rear of the camera.
 

Michael Clark

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Pics look interesting.

Something I don't get:
That AF/MF switch on the front side. I wouldn't want to have it there.
Why there? Why at all?
If it isn't on the RF-S lenses anymore, then make it SW in the camera menu.

I'd much rather have a direct AF/M switch than have to go menu diving.
 
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Do 8th graders "graduate" now?
Sure they do. I graduated from the my parochial school 8th grade class in 1959. No such thing as middle schools, parochial or otherwise back then, if I can still remember that long ago. During that era, they did have Public school Jr. High's, grades 7-9, forerunner of modern day middle schools. Most private schools are still grades 1-8 and 9-12.
 

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I'd much rather have a direct AF/M switch than have to go menu diving.
Michael, if you scroll back, this was much discussed out pages before.
I summarize that a switch is better than SW, position is personal taste, MF with STM and focus by wire is ... not my way to go ;)
 

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Michael, if you scroll back, this was much discussed out pages before.
I summarize that a switch is better than SW, position is personal taste, MF with STM and focus by wire is ... not my way to go ;)
You should be well rested. Surely you have a few more rounds in you!
 
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You really think it would be a $1000 camera if it had IBIS? Maybe the next iteration will… Besides, it's certainly not "very likely" that most people who buy one will use it with primes.
It's the only way I would use this camera. The 16mm f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.8 would be all I'd need for travel and more, but neither have IS. It's not the end of the world, but to me it misses the mark as a lightweight affordable travel kit because there's no IS in the lenses or in the body.
I'd rather use my phone than carry a camera like this and use a kit lens. In fact I don't know why anyone would go to the trouble and expense of the camera just to use it with the kit lens. You could put your money towards one of the top phones from Samsung, Apple, the Sony Experia or others and have a much simpler system, but to each his own.
 

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IF these mockups are correct, then its not a 7DMKII replacement, It would have looked more like an R6. This looks more low end and smaller, looks cheaper in price. How's the AF system will be my first question, buffer second, customizability third , electronic shutter speed 4th. Low end viewfinder with blackout? ssssss........

As for the buttons and layout, mf/af button I dont care maybe the button can be reprogrammed? In the back is where it starts looking different: On/off button on the right side? As an old Nikon user all I can say is finally! Have Canon moved the scroll wheel up to the joystick? Interesting that's a closer find with my thumb then currently on the r5/6, I could maybe like that. One scroll wheel on the back top right missing, BOOOOO! The proof will be in the pudding here, will look at first reviews before I decide to buy

The proof is never in the pudding. The proof of the pudding is in the taste. Please get your metaphors right.